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Date:      Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:34:48 -0200
From:      JoaoBR <joao@matik.com.br>
To:        Sam Leffler <sam@errno.com>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Lamont Granquist <lamont@scriptkiddie.org>
Subject:   Re: ath0 timeout problem - again
Message-ID:  <200612301934.48381.joao@matik.com.br>
In-Reply-To: <4596CC31.6010604@errno.com>
References:  <200612282002.11562.joao@matik.com.br> <200612282241.24542.joao@matik.com.br> <4596CC31.6010604@errno.com>

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On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:29, Sam Leffler wrote:
>
> See my previous reply to you.  Lamont is directing you to look for
> stations in your network operating with power save enabled.
>

even if there are stations with powersaving on we can do anything against it

this is an ISP environment where people connect with compatible hardware, I=
 do=20
not agree that power management enabled on some of them could bring the=20
network down



> > But I saw histories about this and even if powersaving issue "was the
> > issue in that case(really?)" I think this is wierd in any way because if
> > ONE station with powersaving on could set the AP in DoS ... man ... if
> > really true this is kind of lame excuse or kind of driver weakness which
> > both would be inacceptable, and, if it does NOT wake up if in sleep sta=
te
> > ... no further comment, but a driver weakness right?
>
> Power save operation is a required part of 802.11.  If there's a problem
> in supporting it then it should be fixed but I'm aware of several ap
> products shipping with freebsd that do not exhibit this problem so it
> may be related to your configuration.  ath parts offload much processing
> to the host and creating a production quality ap based on them involves
> certain tuning and configuration that must be done according to the
> complete system.

I know and as far as our knowledge goes (in fact there are no secrets to=20
disable powersaving) we do not have this problem and like I said before in=
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the former msg that I believe the problem is related to a certain kind of=20
traffic


>
> If you are saying you should not have to reboot a system because the
> device locks up then sure.  But I've no idea if that was what was
> required.  I'm aware of only one ath-related issue that can lockup a
> system--that's when a part is set into deep sleep and the host then
> accesses a register outside the pci clock domain w/o first waking up the
> part.  This has only been reported with cardbus cards which means you
> can just eject the card to unfreeze the bus.  But this sounds unrelated
> to the problem you are seeing.
>

ok, but again our Ap is not in any power save mode, we monitor CPU, fan, te=
mp=20
and traffic and to complete the powersaving issue, it is unlikely that the=
=20
freeBSD goes to sleep when I get considerable traffic through this box and=
=20
especially the ath card

thank's

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Jo=E3o







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