Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:42:44 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte <wilko@yedi.iaf.nl> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Cc: Mark Newton <newton@internode.com.au>, Peter Jeremy <peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au>, Donn Miller <dmmiller@cvzoom.net>, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle? Message-ID: <19991215194244.D447@yedi.iaf.nl> In-Reply-To: <49974.945214329@zippy.cdrom.com>; from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com on Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 03:32:09PM -0800 References: <19991215000600.C77327@yedi.iaf.nl> <49974.945214329@zippy.cdrom.com>
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On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 03:32:09PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > And: how many people would volunteer for such a job?
> > Or is it assumed that since this appears suspiciously like Real Work
> > it will be a paid-for job?
>
> It will be a paid-for job, naturally.
:)
> Something we also have to stay aware of in this discussion is the fact
> that even if most hackers could give a fig for graphical installers
> and consider them to be an unneeded bit of hand-holding, it would
> still be nice to have a framework which stuff could drop into and be
> accessed via a command line or turbovision type of interface. We're
Fundamental to the discussion is whether there is a desire for a
installer+admintool-in-one. Or that these functions are seperated out
in different tools.
> not talking about writing multiple installers for each type of UI,
> after all, since that would be an unreasonable duplication of labor.
> We're talking about one installation/configuration code base which can
> use either X or text mode interfaces at the user's discretion, so
> both "camps" get what they want.
Let's please not forget the blind users of FreeBSD..
> It's also a sad fact that journalists tend to rate products based on
> different criteria than engineers do, and even where we're getting kudos
> in the engineering community, magazines are kicking us in the nuts over
> not having something which competes head-to-head with Caldera or Red Hat.
> Sad, but true.
Very true. I know. Whatever happens, the criterium should not be a
'me too' kind of tool, but rather something better. I happen to dislike
tools that ask a bazillion questions. Assuming ease of use is
related to a more abstract selection ("What do you want to install?
Typical workstation? Web server? Firewall?" along that line) of a
installation type.
<DUCKS>
I for example like the Solaris/SPARC installation procedure. At least
on a X-display. The character cell variant works, but that is about it.
But it works on your 1970s dumb terminal.
</DUCKS>
> - Jordan
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