Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 04:58:25 -0400 From: Joshua Lee <yid@softhome.net> To: Drew Raines <drew-dated-1032183315.d1901f@rain3s.net> Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-ID: <20020912045825.26c86aa5.yid@softhome.net> In-Reply-To: <20020911133512.GE21879@drew.rain3s.net> References: <20020909215202.78267872.yid@softhome.net> <20020910094316.H62741-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> <20020910152310.5e6e2964.yid@softhome.net> <20020910215545.GI4470@drew.rain3s.net> <20020911071845.43665d57.yid@softhome.net> <20020911133512.GE21879@drew.rain3s.net>
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On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:35:12 -0500 Drew Raines <drew-dated-1032183315.d1901f@rain3s.net> wrote: > > > Romans 3:23 all over again. We all live our lives > > > deserving eternal punishment. This is the reason we > > > worship Christ, our savior. > > > > I'm Jewish, so quotations from the NT aren't particularly > > convincing to me. You'll have to convince me with reason, > > which I doubt can be mustered to defend this idea of > > eternal-torture-by-god. > > It would seem to me that ``eternal-torture-by-God,'' God's > justice and righteousness, is the exact theme of the OT; hence > the need for the NT. You obviously percieve the "Old Testement" different than I. > Fortunately, it's not my job to convince you. Jesus said to Then don't. > his disciples, ``the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father > will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring > to your remembrance all that I said to you. Peace I leave with > you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives'' (Jn > 14:26). John has a sort of odd seductive beauty, being a quasi-gnostic work. Too bad it is the most antisemetic of the gospels. However, you have not convinced me that anyone has "taught you all things" and that eternal torture is "my peace". > Sorry it's from the NT, but without that, I have nothing. My > life is meaningless apart from what Christ did. As Paul (a I feel sorry for you. > former Jew[1]) put it, ``I count all things to be loss in view > of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord'' (Phil This is what Paul wrote, yes? He didn't know Yoshke, he didn't even meet him while alive and had a contradictorally-recorded pair of brief revelations as his only contact. So, as usual, he's bending the truth. > [1] ``I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the > tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected his people whom He > foreknew'' (Rom 11:1,2). That's not what the church has taught. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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