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Date:      Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:35:01 +0200
From:      Jose M Rodriguez <josemi@freebsd.jazztel.es>
To:        Michael Nottebrock <michaelnottebrock@gmx.net>
Cc:        ports@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: [kde-freebsd] Call for testers: kde-xdg-env
Message-ID:  <200504031935.02189.freebsd@redesjm.local>
In-Reply-To: <200504031853.41946.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net>
References:  <200504031813.28680.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> <200504031832.00023.freebsd@redesjm.local> <200504031853.41946.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net>

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El Domingo, 3 de Abril de 2005 18:53, Michael Nottebrock escribi=F3:
> On Sunday, 3. April 2005 18:31, Jose M Rodriguez wrote:
> > I disagree with this move in the form is take in gnome and in this
> > work.
> >
> > I prefer the original concept in debian menu: a system repository
> > and migrations tools.
>
> I don't know "debian menu".
>

I only take this as the base work of the actual freedesktop menu system. =20
But I prefer use only freedesktop standards.

> > But, if we go in this path, I think we must protect system/desktop
> > specific bits.  I recall support for this in freedesktop, but this
> > is not used in stock menus as installed by actual ports.
> >
> > In any case, I still have the feeling that integrate menus and
> > other mime info between FreeBSD ports may become a strong re
> > effort.
> >
> > Please, take this with care.  There're people like me forced to
> > install near all desktops in shared nfs servers.
>
> Can you perhaps name specific issues you're having?

=46irts, I think this must be only a ports thread.

The main problem is the transition to a freedesktop menu/mime system in=20
a so large ports system like we have.

The main risks are, at last, in the menu system:

=2D too many entries:  If we have all the kde/gnome/xfce/others installed=20
apps in the menu system, actual menus have only a few levels (two?).

=2D failed bits:  You may end with active KDE menu entries but without the=
=20
related icon bits.

=2D inconsystency though desktops:  You may end with different menus in=20
different desktops.

And, at last to me, this is only a begin.  Taking mimetypes and other=20
desktop bits through freedesktop standards is a really hard work.

Allthough this is not complex, and the main work is allready done in=20
gnome/kde/xfce, there're so many bits !!.

So, I think the correct way to this must be:

=2D create a special support for freedesktop transition, even a=20
freebsd-freedesktop@FreeBSD.org or mark one of the actual (ports/x11)=20
as the one for this work.

=2D try to maintain the main ports as on gnome-2.8/Kde-3.3 as possible.

=2D work in freedesktop transition out of actual trees=20
(/opt, /usr/X11R6/freedesktop) actual ports have support for this (all=20
support XDG env vars).

=2D merge the final menu repository in the main ports.  Use menu-tools and=
=20
so to make the menu system (this'll be a FreeBSD menu system) appear in=20
non-xdg enabled desktops (wmaker?).

=2D-
  josemi



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