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Date:      Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:42:45 -0800
From:      Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>
To:        secmgr <security@jim-liesl.org>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Upgrading 5.3 > 6.0 buildworld failure now in libmagic
Message-ID:  <4398A8D5.7050404@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <43975511.5070002@jim-liesl.org>
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secmgr wrote:
> Doug Barton wrote:

>> +       When upgrading from one major version to another, it is
>> +       generally best to upgrade to the latest code in the branch
>> +       currently installed first, then do another upgrade to the
>> +       new branch.
>>
> Or as another poster said, just say latest RELENG_5 prior to upgrade

Based on recommendations from this thread and from kris, I changed the 
wording to be more generic, and added the same text to the UPGRADING file in 
HEAD, and RELENG_6.

> Well, if it's common knowledge, lets see it documented.  We're only 
> talking a few lines in the handbook or the release notes, not an entire 
> chapter.

I did my bit. I'm sure that the freebsd-doc folks are eagerly anticipating 
your patches, since this is such an easy thing to add. :)

> <rant3>
> My frustration comes from the fact that this seems to be getting worse, 
> not better. 

 From your perspective that may be true, however from a more general 
perspective I don't agree. C'est la vie.

> In addition, every time I bring this up, I'm told (usually 
> by someone with a freebsd.org address) that, "oh we all know/knew about 
> that"  or, "it's common knowledge".

I have been very careful to say that I agree that our documentation can 
always be improved. I've also been very careful to say that the only way 
this will happen is if someone steps up to do it. I realize that's not the 
answer you're looking for, but it's the only one we have, and all the 
elegantly phrased rants, descriptions of what we should be doing for you 
(and how we should be doing it), and other things that you (pl.) wish were 
so won't change that.

Doug


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