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Date:      Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:45:54 -0400
From:      "Tenacious" <tMind@bigfoot.com>
To:        "Alfred Perlstein" <bright@rush.net>, "Scott I. Remick" <scott@computeralt.com>
Cc:        "Dan Nelson" <dnelson@emsphone.com>, <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: ipfw vs. MS Proxy
Message-ID:  <00e901beac5e$fe5c07a0$3c29a8c0@tci.rdo>
References:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.990601135326.9491w-100000@cygnus.rush.net>

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----- Original Message -----
From: Alfred Perlstein <bright@rush.net>
To: Scott I. Remick <scott@computeralt.com>
Cc: Dan Nelson <dnelson@emsphone.com>; <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: ipfw vs. MS Proxy


> On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Scott I. Remick wrote:
>
> > At 02:07 PM 6/1/1999 , you wrote:
> > >ipfw is packet filtering, not proxying.  For that you probably want
> > >squid and/or natd.

Another choices can be TIS and Apache.

> >
> > This was my understanding as well.  I've actually looked at squid.
> >
> > >Exactly what are the advertised features of MS Proxy, and what are the
> > >features you are looking for?
> >
> > They're looking at it from a security standpoint.  Which I agree with
> > totally... I've always wanted a firewall.  There never seems to be money
> > available for my FreeBSD projects, but if someone describes the same
need
> > using MS "solutions", then everyone gets excited :(
>
> I'm quite sure MS-proxy is the correct choice for you, it's VERY
> cool, it'll even proxy outside connections INTO your network!

You need more hardware resources for MS-proxy than proxy for BSD.

>
> Do yourself a big favor and search bugtraq for this, supposeddly
> people were able to fool ms-proxy into making internal connections
> to proxied networks by spoofing proxy requests.
>
> > The idea is to do just what a firewall does: filter traffic between our
> > private network and the outside world.  I'd like to see a FreeBSD box
with
> > 2 NICs dropped into place, running ipfw, to perform this task fairly
> > invisibly.  They'd like to use MS solutions because "that's what we
sell"
> > and they don't like FreeBSD solutions because NOEKI (No One Else Knows
It)
> > except for me.  Grrr.
>
> Buy them the Complete FreeBSD.  Explain that you'll save them
> 2000$+cost of ms-proxy.  IPFW syntax isn't that horrible to
> master.

Don't forget the cost of NT Server.

>
> > I'm not totally up on either, but I've got some concerns that MS Proxy
is
> > even up for the task that they want to give it.  Sure, it can proxy and
> > cache HTTP info and the like, but I don't think it's much of a
firewall...
> > am I correct?  Hopefully someone can help me out here.
>
> Using MS products as a firewall solution is cool, because when
> you blue screen, you effectively completely firewall off your
> entire operation.

Blue screen is part of the Windows.

>
> </sarcasm>
>
> It's a shame your co-workers seem to be lacking clue.  Good luck
> with your advocacy. :)
>
> -Alfred
>
>
>
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