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Date:      Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:35:48 -0500
From:      Sean Cavanaugh <millenia2000@hotmail.com>
To:        <jnatola@familycareintl.org>, <jerrymc@msu.edu>
Cc:        questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   RE: desktop app/config
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> Date: Thu=2C 19 Feb 2009 12:19:09 -0500
> From: jnatola@familycareintl.org
> To: millenia2000@hotmail.com=3B jerrymc@msu.edu
> CC: questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: RE: desktop app/config
>=20
> That's sounds like what I'm looking for=2C however=2C when you say login =
with no
> user or password- I'm not sure if I like that because our fileserver is g=
oing
> to have to authenticate them at some point as will access to the printers=
 so
> somewhere somehow I need a login no?
>=20

What i was refering to was having a basic user with no system authority suc=
h as deleting files and whatnot on the local machine. dont want inexperienc=
ed user screwing up a perfectly fine system.

if you have a file/print server set up then you are correct and should prob=
 use a password for the user account. i was assuming local access only.=20




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Cavanaugh [mailto:millenia2000@hotmail.com]=20
> Sent: Thursday=2C February 19=2C 2009 12:17 PM
> To: Jean-Paul Natola=3B jerrymc@msu.edu
> Cc: questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: RE: desktop app/config
>=20
>=20
> > Date: Thu=2C 19 Feb 2009 12:05:08 -0500
> > From: jnatola@familycareintl.org
> > To: jerrymc@msu.edu
> > CC: questions@freebsd.org
> > Subject: RE: desktop app/config
> >=20
> > I think we went off track a bit- I do know freebsd- my mail filter is a
> > FreeBSD with clam exim and sa- but I NEVER use the gui's - I want to se=
tup
> > some "recycled" machines with bsd and a gui that will be easy for a use=
r to
> > grasp- I have mac users and pc users here-
> >=20
> > But thanks for all the tips- I currently use ee for editing=20
>=20
>=20
> I think what you are looking for overall would prob be a baseline install
> with either Gnome or KDE installed. Personally I prefer Gnome but KDE is =
more
> MSWindows like in its interface. You can go as far as to skin either of t=
hem
> to look like MSWindows.
>=20
> setup a basic user with no system control and no password for users to lo=
g in
> with and change /etc/ttys so that ttyv8 is turned on and set to GDM or KD=
M
> (depending on which you want to use).
>=20
> Definitely configure what additional software you need installed per your
> needs.
>=20
> -Sean
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jerry McAllister [mailto:jerrymc@msu.edu]=20
> > Sent: Thursday=2C February 19=2C 2009 12:00 PM
> > To: Jean-Paul Natola
> > Cc: questions@freebsd.org
> > Subject: Re: desktop app/config
> >=20
> > On Thu=2C Feb 19=2C 2009 at 10:27:30AM -0500=2C Jean-Paul Natola wrote:
> >=20
> > > Hi all=2C
> > >=20
> > > I'm replacing some machines and want to setup some stations in the
> library
> > > running FreeBSD-=20
> > >=20
> > > What is the easiest for an XP user to get accustomed to and what conf=
ig
> do
> > I
> > > need so that when the machine starts (power / boot) it will automatic=
ally
> > > launch the desktop gui
> >=20
> > The easiest way to get used to it is to just fully install the latest
> FreeBSD
> > (that is 7.1 at the moment) RELEASE=2C update it to RELENG_7 or RELENG_=
7_1
> > so it has the latest patches. Install Xorg for Xwindows so you will hav=
e
> > graphics. Then install a few handy ports from the /usr/ports tree.
> > Some you will want are Firefox and Thunderbird and Openoffice=2C althou=
gh
> > you may want to install Openoffice from a binary package rather than
> > from ports. Openoffice is very big and building it can be daunting
> > for a newbie. Some other good candidates might be Apache and Perl
> > and maybe a couple of games for fun.
> >=20
> > Then=2C just start using it. Learn to find things you need on the syste=
m.=20
> > and configure the network securely. There is lots of documentation in
> > the FreeBSD Handbook and other places online. The more you do it=2C the
> > more they make sense.
> >=20
> > One thing to learn is using the vi(1) text editor. There are many
> > other editors=2C but for system management=2C vi is the omnipresent=2C
> ubiquitious
> > one. It is sometimes the only one available in times when bad things
> > are happening. It feels rather clunky when you first start to use it
> > but it quickly becomes second nature. The FreeBSD man page is pretty
> > good on it. I have a web page that simplifies it a little at:=20
> >=20
> > http://z2.cl.msu.edu/~jerrymc/project/editvi/
> >=20
> > There are a number of books available that help learning FreeBSD.
> >=20
> > "FreeBSD Unleashed" and "Absolute BSD" are a couple of them
> > The FreeBSD Handbook which is online at the FreeBSD web site and
> > is installed if you want it when FreeBSD is installed is quite good.
> > The FreeBSD site also has other documents and links listed.
> >=20
> > At first=2C it will seem a little strange. Generally FreeBSD is command
> > oriented=2C not pointy/clicky oriented. That is a much more powerful wa=
y
> > to administer a system=2C but it takes more initial learning.
> >=20
> > Ask questions. People on the list have already heard all the common
> > complaints and gripes that FreeBSD is not like MS-Win dozens of times.
> > The usual response is "Thank God" or something similar. Anyway=2C they
> > are not interested in hearing whines again. But=2C if you have a real
> > question about 'how to do' something or even 'why is it done this way'
> > and not just grousing=2C people on the list are usually very good about
> > giving answers. List people are very interested in helping people=20
> > learn=2C but not interested in people complaining.=20
> >=20
> > If it is a bug=2C post a pr. If it is a feature request=2C remember tha=
t=20
> > FreeBSD is created and maintained by volunteers - very smart ones - but=
=20
> > they have limits on time and resources so your request may take a very=
=20
> > long time to get attention. You may well learn how to do it yourself=20
> > and then submit it as an improvement before then.
> >=20
> > Good luck and have fun.
> >=20
> > ////jerry=20
> >=20
> > >=20
> > > thanx
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> > >=20
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