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Date:      Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:38:50 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Joe Marcus Clarke <marcus@marcuscom.com>
To:        Scott Long <scott_long@btc.adaptec.com>
Cc:        Brad Laue <brad@brad-x.com>, <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: glib12 port build failure in -stable (update)
Message-ID:  <20020802003619.O87489-100000@shumai.marcuscom.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020802041116.GA7774@hollin.btc.adaptec.com>

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On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Scott Long wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 11:18:56PM -0400, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote:
> > > I hate to go on a rant, but -STABLE broke three times yesterday, too -
> > > this is -STABLE, why is this happening all of a sudden? I'm supposed to
> > > be able to put implicit faith in it!
> >
> > Well, the security branch (RELENG_4_6 for example) is more "stable" and
> > changes much less frequently.  For any production server, I would
> > recommend using those branches rather than -stable.
> >
> > >
> > > I don't think there should be much room for error in the -STABLE branch;
> > > too much is riding on it. Four hours of troubleshooting an apache server
> > > which was down for the count. What is it they say about time being money?
> > >
> >
> > Again, don't go with -stable then.  The security branch is moderated by
> > the security officer, and thus all changes going into it need to be
> > justified.
> >
> > Joe
>
> Um, the previous poster makes a very good point that you are totally
> blowing off.  The branches marked -STABLE are supposed to be *STABLE*.
> That means only well tested and low risk checkins.  Flaming people
> and directing them to the security branches only perpetuates the
> problem.  The problem being, of course, the percieved lack of quality
> control in the STABLE branch.

I wasn't flaming anyone, nor was I blowing anyone off.  Yes, he does make
a good point, but history shows that the security branches change a lot
less frequently than -stable, and make the best choice for production
servers that need to be highly available.

Joe

>
> Scott
>
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