Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:36:12 +0800 From: Calvin NG <calvinng@brel.com> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: sendmail 8.12.2 MFC'ed Message-ID: <20020328103612.A67280@brel.com> In-Reply-To: <HPEHJFKBNEHFPAOFMEDDCEGDDCAA.mikej@trigger.net>; from mikej@trigger.net on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 01:10:38PM -0500 References: <20020327105845.GA9999@voi.aagh.net> <HPEHJFKBNEHFPAOFMEDDCEGDDCAA.mikej@trigger.net>
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Greetings, Perhaps those who have a different perference then the choices made by the FreeBSD developers should read up on the various NO_xxx settings that are can be used in /etc/make.conf for the purpose to not building the software that you do not want. (and also prevent overwriting your favourite software that you choose to install in base) In addition, you can also choose add a refuse file in /usr/sup/src-all/ to NOT cvsup those sendmail/bind/kerberos/... source code that you do not intend to build anyway. Do be careful of dependencies though. With the above in consideration, removing sendmail/bind/whatever/.... is a one time effort, and it will stays that way. There are ways for you to customise your system, and ensure that it stays that way even when you upgrade (via cvsup). Regards, /calvin lines with :> are quotes from Mike Jakubik's email :> :> I totally agree with you. Many programs that are integrated by default into :> FreeBSD change much more often than FreeBSD does, OpenSSH being a good :> example. Many people also dislike whats integrated i.e. sendmail (i :> personally use postfix, cant stand sendmail). I would love to see a bare :> FreeBSD install that stayed that way when updating via cvs. Perhaps an :> option in the installation, that would also change the necessary :> configurations to keep programs like sendmail out. :> :> -----Original Message----- :> From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG :> [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Thomas Hurst :> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 5:59 AM :> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG :> Subject: Re: HEADS UP: sendmail 8.12.2 MFC'ed :> :> :> * Helge Oldach (helge.oldach@atosorigin.com) wrote: :> :> > Count this my strong vote against removal of packages that are :> > traditionally part of the base system. :> :> I hate sendmail with a passion. I use exim; hence it's just added :> bloat sitting in my rather full /usr. :> :> The existance of more up-to-date ports for a lot of what's in the base :> system means many people don't want any trace of them from the base :> system; e.g. Perl. :> :> Additionally, many parts of the base system are not required or wanted :> on simple systems; if I have a tiny 486 I want to turn into a firewall, :> I don't want to spend hours trimming down the base system to fit on it. :> :> I suggest we extend the package system to include the base system; then :> I can just do env PKG_DBDIR=/var/db/syspkg pkg_deinstall sendmail-6.6.6, :> and sysinstall can more easily NOT install things I don't want, without :> impacting users who do want them. :> :> Or maybe everyone who doesn't want to use sendmail should switch to :> NetBSD w/ syspkg :) :> :> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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