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Date:      Thu, 9 Jun 2016 16:09:40 -0400
From:      Justin Hibbits <jhibbits@freebsd.org>
To:        Doug Rabson <dfr@rabson.org>
Cc:        FreeBSD Arch <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: PowerPC 64-bit time_t
Message-ID:  <8CD57763-E623-480F-A2E4-3145A3C22F86@freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <CACA0VUijv4bo%2BYQoLZudor7z7GW6pFi0sv%2B7ZGFo1HDq4P%2BWag@mail.gmail.com>
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This would only be needed if syscall ABI compatibility is required,  
right?  Considering the current support state and userbase of powerpc,  
a simple binary option of 32 vs 64 should be sufficient, I believe.   
For i386 it's a different story, since it's much more widely used (and  
tier1) so backwards compatibility is 100% necessary.

- Justin

On Jun 9, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Doug Rabson wrote:

> Well you have to maintain the kernel's syscall ABI, which basically  
> means adding new syscalls for anything which is affected.
>
> On 9 June 2016 at 13:41, Justin Hibbits <jhibbits@freebsd.org> wrote:
> At the devsummit earlier today I mentioned for FreeBSD 12 wanting 64- 
> bit time_t across the board.  It was pointed out that the only ones  
> with 32-bit time_t are i386 and powerpc (32-bit).  I've made the  
> changes necessary for at least kernel (world is still building right  
> now), but it's obviously an ABI and KBI incompatible change.   
> Addressing KBI is a nonissue, as that's expected to break at major  
> releases.  ABI is another issue.  I'm unsure how to properly address  
> ABI breakage -- bumping libc's .so version, or reversion all symbols  
> that use something with time_t, or something else.  If I can address  
> it before the code freeze, it could be done for FreeBSD 11, which  
> leaves about 6 hours from now.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> - Justin
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