Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:45:23 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand <steve@ibctech.ca> To: Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> Cc: Henry Olyer <henry.olyer@gmail.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A question for developers Message-ID: <4A840AE3.5090904@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <8763cseo4b.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <4A6A72A6.1030009@ibctech.ca> <4A820F9C.8030709@ibctech.ca> <4A8210D8.4050601@ibctech.ca> <200908111840.05008.mel.flynn%2Bfbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <1d7089c40908121249u75b97303xde1269985f0055e8@mail.gmail.com> <8763cseo4b.fsf@kobe.laptop>
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This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000107000303040201000502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:49:17 -0400, Henry Olyer <henry.olyer@gmail.com> wrote: >> Look, use Joe. >> >> You won't ever want anything else -- you'll soon forget about >> meta-escape-alt-@ while holding down the esc-tab-plus key, all the >> while wishing you had three hands. > > That's not a very good way of describing editors/joe. It is unfair both > to other editors and to joe itself. > > There *are* good points about joe, eg.: > > - It works very well even with pretty dumb terminals. > > - It has a very small footprint > > - It supports many features a `coder' expects (auto indentation, > custom tab sizes, macros, etc.) > > It is much nicer to describe the *good* points about joe, instead of > making silly jokes about keyboard shortcuts in other editors. I fully agree. To be quite honest, the way Emacs does things doesn't bother me in the least. However, I found that Vi(m) falls more inline with how I work. It only took going through the tutorial a couple of times before I was using it as my full time editor. The tutorial works really well for 'burning in' the actions. I really like how quickly I can move about my docs, run commands/programs from inside the editor, splice external files/command output into the current doc, it's search/replace etc. Vim also does colours/syntax highlighting I found, but quickly disabled the colours, as I didn't like them as much as I thought I would. Giving it a try was no where near as intimidating as I have been told it was. Now that I have the basics down, it's trivial to periodically search the web to find out new things it can do. It is the default editor in FreeBSD, so it's a natural fit anyway. All of the feedback, tips & tricks and config files have been very much appreciated! 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