Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:56:56 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> To: =?UTF-8?B?6Z+T5a625qiZIEJpbGwgSGFja2Vy?= <askbill@conducive.net> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Wiki for discussing P35/IHC9(R)/SATA issues set up Message-ID: <47301E48.1000409@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <47301A4A.2030807@conducive.net> References: <472D56A1.7070206@gmail.com> <200711041119.45971.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> <472DD231.9030501@gmail.com> <472E67CC.9040201@delphij.net> <472E4FF0.3080801@gmail.com> <472EB211.7050001@delphij.net> <472EEADF.1000008@gmail.com> <472F466E.8050405@delphij.net> <472F5846.1020304@gmail.com> <472F5D9A.9050900@delphij.net> <op.t1b08cc6ufp0mi@localhost> <472F6773.3080801@delphij.net> <op.t1b121p9ufp0mi@localhost> <472F6B02.2030801@delphij.net> <op.t1b37ronufp0mi@localhost> <472F7C05.6050000@conducive.net> <472FCE60.9070806@gmail.com> <47301A4A.2030807@conducive.net>
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> > >> 1. (I will dig the refs up in a few mins) this has been reported on >> multiple drives and ihc9 based controllers. So it is *NOT* a HW >> issue... see the wiki. >> > > Versteh. But *I* get grumpy when it is *so* easy to 'close the door > firmly' by slapping in last-year's scrap IDE CD or a diferent SATA > device, and *then* post with a great deal more certainty that those > options produced this or that difference. Or NOT. Ergo the problem > is more clearly ID'ed - or reconfirmed - each time. It is my turn to be grumpy I think: 1. All the stuff I am working with was "brand-new" (at least as far the retailer is concerned) as of Sept. 1 and all is SATA/300 2. In an other subthread I mentioned I finally got PATA/SATA working (i.e. co-existing) but the other 2 items on the wiki (plus the yet to be recorded acd one) are still in existence 3. The PATA/SATA issue was only fixed by a couple of new definitions in ata.c thus should not be considered anything more then a custom patch for my machine I think > > Surprises DO happen. Remember the CMD-640 ATA controller? Those folks > call themselves SiliconImage nowadays, but it was the tier-one > Japanese firm that 'foundered' the silicon. > >> 2. The only difference between different hardware is the implications of >> sw issues... for example I get timeouts but no infinite cycle when >> booting from cd >> > > ACK - and developers of software very seldom have access to even the > tiniest fraction of the hardware that the community at large have > their hands on. And that is why I volunteered to help out but it seems they prefer for me to just send various diag dumps so neither of us has any grounds for complaint here I think. > > On which score we ARE falling behind... Accelerating pace of 'new' is > the nature of the market. >From being around the industry since the late early 80's (I know you have been around longer) I have come to the following conclusions: 1. Every 10 years or so there is a whole sell revolution in hw interfaces 2. The last one was Pentium, AGP, UDMA and PCI in the mid early 90's 3. The current one is PCI-E, 64bit, Multicore and SATA Due to 3 I think if we get stuff right we are safe for a good 8 to 10 years. -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com
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