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Date:      Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:06:35 -0500
From:      Tom Rhodes <trhodes@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Ken Smith <kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU>
Cc:        dougb@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, murray.stokely@gmail.com, ru@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org, dienst@marcrenearns.de
Subject:   Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree
Message-ID:  <20070122140635.25a3a6d3.trhodes@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu>
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:01:38 -0500
Ken Smith <kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU> wrote:

> On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 10:47 -0800, Doug Barton wrote:
> > Ken Smith wrote:
> > 
> > > I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been
> > > standalone".  By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff
> > > wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the
> > > 'config, etc'.  For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels
> > > but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and
> > > they knew how to build the kernels manually.
> > 
> > True, but that's not even close to being the majority of FreeBSD
> > users. Given that we promote 'make buildkernel' as the "proper" way of
> > making a kernel, IMO we need to do what is necessary to make it easy
> > for users to do that.
> > 
> 
> True.  I guess this is sort of where I was headed.  IMHO we should
> either leave it as-is for the traditionalists or we should bite the
> bullet and stop providing a separate kernel source tree.  As John
> pointed out in the message after this one life has moved on and
> now /usr/src is teeny compared to the size of disks.  Is it worth the
> hassle/confusion to provide just kernel source any more?

I've been thinking of this, perhaps drastic idea:  Don't split the
sources up anymore.  I'm not sure there is a need to have just
this part or that part.  Just bundle it all together and ask the
user if they want the sources.

Perhaps this email is useless without a patch, which I could
work on, but not this moment.

-- 
Tom Rhodes



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