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Date:      Sun, 24 Mar 2002 21:23:11 -0600
From:      Mike Meyer <mwm-dated-1017458592.f07c95@mired.org>
To:        Chip Morton <tech_info@threespace.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD Chat <chat@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: [burnscharlesn@hotmail.com: Advocacy help for CS professor]
Message-ID:  <15518.38943.907647.117841@guru.mired.org>
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020324182324.01ba1400@threespace.com>
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In <4.3.2.7.2.20020324182324.01ba1400@threespace.com>, Chip Morton <tech_info@threespace.com> typed:
> At 02:29 PM 3/24/2002, Mike Meyer wrote:
> > > figuring that most of their audience will be using Internet Explorer,
> > > and the small minority who aren't will be able to find their way to an IE
> > > without too much effort.  (It is free, right?)
> >How can I use IE if I don't run Windows or a RISC workstation?
> You may be right, web designers may not think outside of 
> IE-compatibility.  I think they may have when Navigator was still a factor 
> in the browser wars, but maybe not anymore.

No, they've always been that blind. First it was Mosaic, then
Mosaic+Netscape, then Netscape, then Netscape+IE, now just IE.  And
yes, I've been bitching about it that long.

> And I would imagine that even if you don't personally own/use a 
> Windows-capable PC, you probably could get to one rather easily.  I would 
> imagine that most people on this list could, but I'm sure there are exceptions.

Not when I'm sitting in my car on the side of I-whatever, trying to
find a map. I can get to my Palm there. A Windows box? Not likely.

> >Better yet, how do I put a system running MSIE in my pocket and carry
> >it around? A properly designed web site will work fine on browsers I
> >can fit in my pocket. That's why I run w3m with autoloading of frames
> >turned off - I want to know which web sites are going to work on my
> >Palm, and which aren't, and seldom bookmark the latter.
> Well, first of all you could do what I did--get a PocketPC and taa-daa, 
> you've got Internet Explorer in your pocket. :-)

Just curious, but how complete is it? Java, JavaScript, Frames, CSL,
SSL, etc? And what do you use on the FreeBSD side of things?

> But seriously, the best examples that I've seen of "pocket" compatibility 
> are with web sites that alter an alternative version, usually a 
> mobile.somewebpage.com that does away with lots of the frills that weigh 
> down so many sites.  That even seems to be the route to browser 
> compatibility for most sites I visit--detect the user's browser and route 
> him accordingly to the correct page.

Yeah, I know. I was warning people about having to maintain two
versions of a web site for pocket usability in '96. I later got paid
to create just such a site for palm.net. Sometimes, being right just
sucks.

	<mike
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