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Date:      Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:05:18 +0100 (MET)
From:      Martin Heller <heller@informatik.uni-freiburg.de>
To:        Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com>
Cc:        Brandon Gillespie <brandon@roguetrader.com>, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   RE:M$ PE-format ..was: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: 
Message-ID:  <Pine.GS4.4.02A.9901222054540.14279-100000@joyce.informatik.uni-freiburg.de>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.01.9901221242380.59627-100000@herring.nlsystems.com>

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On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Doug Rabson wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Brandon Gillespie wrote:
> 
> > Andrew Gallatin <gallatin@cs.duke.edu> wrote:
> > > And this is going to become a much bigger issue once all the 164lx
> > > boards sell out, as vendors are claiming they will.  Samsung's 164lx
> > > replacement, the 164ux, apparently works only with AlphaBios.  From
> > > what I've read, DEC's new low-end 164RX board will lack SRM support as
> > > well.
> > 
> > My company is engineering an alpha computer/sales division, for doing
> > online sales.  I have been encouraged by the FreeBSD port effort, as I
> > much prefer FreeBSD to linux, but it looks as if we are going to be
> > using the UX board for our mainstay.  Infact, we do not really have
> > much choice, if we buy from Samsung (aka Alpha Processors Inc/API).
> > They have the 164UX/BX available in the 2MB and 4MB, and they will
> > soon also have another board which uses daughter boards to provide
> > dual CPU capability--I believe it is 164UX based as well.  Any other
> > board which they have produced in the past have reached the end of
> > their life, and they will NOT be producing any more.  Some people may
> > still have a few stocked, but that is it.
> > 
> > The problem is, of course, that these motherboards ONLY seem to
> > support the AlphaBIOS.  I'm still digging trying to find the SRM, but
> > I cannot.  On API's site they even list the firmware as simply being
> > AlphaBIOS, and the ONLY OSes they list as being able to run on it are
> > NT and Linux (note the lack of Digital Unix, *sigh*).
> > 
> > Also, I'm just getting into this so I appologize if I offend anybody
> > ;)  But why not join camps and try to fork MILO to work with FreeBSD,
> > but basing off the same code base it seems it'd be easier to keep up
> > to date for BOTH camps...  However, I suspect this effort (ARC boot)
> > is further along than I realize, so I shall desist :)
> > 
> > As it stands, our default OS when the site rolls out in a month will
> > be Linux, with NT as an option.  I would _love_ to have FreeBSD as an
> > option (even if it still needs maturing :)
> > 
> > And to end...after having evaluated the boards I must say they are
> > very nice.  Onboard everything--UW2 scsi, IDE and 10/100 NIC.  And
> > cheap too (Alpha prices have really dropped all across the board...
> > finally :)
 
> Stefan Esser is working on AlphaBIOS booting at the moment but it is very
> early days.  We are still at the stage of reverse-engineering the M$
> executable format...
Well there is a port of gcc-2.7.2 + binutils-2.8?? (cygwin-b19) for
Alpha/NT. I think it's at ftp://ftp.guiduck.com . There is also a port
for OpenNT/alpha with sources - I should have 'em somewhere on DAT 
or CD-ROM if you can't find it. 
MARTIN

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