Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 01:28:27 -0500 From: "Sam Fourman Jr." <sfourman@gmail.com> To: Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com> Cc: Kris Moore <kris@pcbsd.com>, John Hixson <jhixson@gmail.com>, ports@freebsd.org, Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>, "Dave Fourman\(Gmail\)" <dfourman@gmail.com>, Matt Olander <matt@ixsystems.com>, Vanessa Kraus <vmkraus@gmail.com>, FreeBSD Current <current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: ports and PBIs Message-ID: <o2z11167f521004092328z50ed9c9zde0294a344439709@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <r2w6201873e1004092011y829fe434w724ccde9cbf78e2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4BBFD502.1010507@elischer.org> <r2w6201873e1004092011y829fe434w724ccde9cbf78e2c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com> wr= ote: > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org> wro= te: > >> >> Alfred Perlstein , Matt at ix systems Kris (Mr PBI), some >> others and I, felt that these ideas seemed to make some sense >> and so I put them here for comment. >> >> > FWIW, when I see these discussions I'm always left wondering what's the b= ad > part? =A0I do think there are problems, but there doesn't seem to be a cl= ear > defined set of what is wrong. =A0 IMO, there should be a defined set of g= oals > to judge possible implementations against. Let me start by saying FreeBSD ports is by far the best system I have used to date. but as good as it is, there is room for improvement. Being a FreeBSD user now for many years, one thing I think would be nice is= : being able to have easier access to development ports( Masked ports kinda like Gentoo). right now is a GREAT example, currently there are new Gnome ,KDE and Xorg. these are all MAJOR ports,dependencies run deeper and deeper with every rel= ease. there can never be enough testing...but they all exist in random subversion servers around the web... I would very much like to help test these Major ports, but installing them is a pain. there should be some sort of overlay system in place, so I can just build the development ports after agreeing to a few well placed warnings of course. and Well if I hose my system all to hell.. well then I could just click on a bunch of PBI's and I am back in business.= .. better still, make the development ports a PBI, I am just thinking out loud here,but that may work, toughts? one could say I could use merge scripts like marcusmerge for example, or use Virtualbox... but for large ports like Xorg and gnome or KDE, virtualbox doesn't cut it y= et... thinks like Nvidia Video cards, multiple monitors, USB devices, and whatnot do not work on virtual box.. PBI's for development ports, with all the dependencies, wrapped in one pack= age. solution? well let all the developers develop working ports in progress in one place, give users like me a way to track these changes and install and test them... I think FreeBSD becomes a better place for it. Sam Fourman Jr. Fourman Networks
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