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Date:      Sat, 02 Aug 1997 02:38:53 -0500
From:      Tony Overfield <tony@dell.com>
To:        Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>, brianc@milkyway.com (Brian Campbell)
Cc:        hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Pentium II?
Message-ID:  <3.0.2.32.19970802023853.0069c4c4@bugs.us.dell.com>
In-Reply-To: <199707302054.NAA05832@phaeton.artisoft.com>
References:  <19970730144420.16698@milkyway.com>

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At 01:54 PM 7/30/97 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote:
>> > My 486 DX-50 still beats the snot of of a P5 DX/2-66, and is
>> > more than fast enough (EISA bus overclocked to 50MHz) to handle
>> > a lot of stuff that early P5 machines couldn't.
>> 
>> Hmmm ... Never heard of a P5 DX/2-66  ;-)
>
>Dell was selling them. 
 
This is wrong!  

Dell sold no such thing as a "P5 DX/2-66"!

>This was back when they were using the
>Saturn I chipset, which did not have DMA writeback notification
>connected from the macrocell (missing trace).

Due to that bug, that version of the Saturn chipset does not support 
write-back L2 caching and it is therefore configured by the BIOS to 
use the L2 cache in write-through mode, though the L1 cache is always
write-back.  The missing trace is not used or needed when the L2
cache is in write-through mode.

>Clock-doubled 66 MHz Pentiums were at one time common, before
>CPU fans became common.

Hmm, they weren't common enough for me to have ever heard of them 
before.

>Dell also had 60MHz non-doubled chips
>available before the doubled 66's were available.

Well, of course the 66 MHz chips were available after the 60 MHz 
chips were, but they weren't "doubled."

>The non-doubled
>60's kicked butt over the doubled 66's for anything I/O bound.

They probably would have, had the "doubled 66's" ever existed.

>Just as my 486/50 kicks butt over the same chips.

I doubt this, unless you're "stacking the deck" in some perverse 
way, or you're simply dreaming.

-
Tony





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