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Date:      Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:30:50 -0700
From:      Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org>
To:        jonathan michaels <jlm@caamora.com.au>
Cc:        David Malone <dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie>, "Thomas E. Zander" <riggs@rrr.de>, stable@freebsd.org, Wilko Bulte <wb@freebie.xs4all.nl>
Subject:   Re: Boot manager beep
Message-ID:  <439A923A.3040205@samsco.org>
In-Reply-To: <20051210081717.61326@caamora.com.au>
References:  <20051209093610.GR898@marvin.riggiland.au>	<4399997D.7010304@samsco.org>	<20051209154056.GA21926@freebie.xs4all.nl>	<4399A612.1030103@samsco.org>	<20051209160006.GA53492@walton.maths.tcd.ie>	<20051209163843.GS898@marvin.riggiland.au> <20051210081717.61326@caamora.com.au>

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jonathan michaels wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 05:38:43PM +0100, Thomas E. Zander wrote:
> 
>>On Fri, 09. Dec 2005, at 16:00 +0000, David Malone wrote
>>according to [Re: Boot manager beep]:
>>
>>>On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 08:43:14AM -0700, Scott Long wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>It is highly irritating for everyone else, though.
>>>
>>>Not quite everyone - if I'm working on a few machines I find it
>>>useful to know when a particular machine has reached the boot stage,
>>>so I can tell it to go into single user mode. It is particularly
>>>useful on machines where the BIOS tages ages to do its stuff.
>>
>>Probably it isn't even a real problem on most boxes. Usually standard
>>desktops and servers (maybe) have their pc speaker which is set to a
>>reasonable volume at boot time. I never found this beep annoying in my
>>servers. Just came across it when I had to reinstall my notebook
>>because of a hard drive crash and 6.0 installed this beeping boot
>>loader. So probably as Scott pointed out, it might be best to let the
>>user choose a quiet loader as an option.
>>Naturally, boot0 is a tiny program, it shouldn't be a problem to build
>>a boot0nobeep as well and install one of them depending on settings,
>>maybe even early during sysinstall ?!
> 
> 
> yes, that sounds reasonable to me .. i'm one of those sightless ones
> who caused the irritation for mr long. may i suggest that the default
> situation be set to beep: ON and if teh enduser requires or need the
> beep: OFF version then they are left to make the adjustments as thier
> own exercise. i like the idea about setting a bit in the /dev/conf
> file, ummm something like that my memory isnt that good this morning.
> 
> it is most difficult trying to work out how and where to make changes
> when being able to see teh scree becomes a personal issue .. every bit
> helps.
> 
> sorry for the intrusion . this be one of those items that needs some
> vocalisation from those it genuinely affects and for whom it is not a
> meer cosmetic annoyance.
> 
> regards and apologies
> 
> jonathan
> 

I have one comment on this.  All I did was suggest that the code be made
conditional.  I did not take a stand on whether it should default to
being enabled or not.  And yes, the beep is irritating when I'm trying
to do development on a plane or other confined public spaces.

Scott



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