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Date:      Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:34:12 -0700
From:      Jordan Hubbard <jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com>
To:        Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org>
Cc:        mjacob@feral.com, Warner Losh <imp@village.org>, "David E. O'Brien" <obrien@freebsd.org>, cvs-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org
Subject:   Project management [was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/common boot.c]
Message-ID:  <68565.968362452@winston.osd.bsdi.com>
In-Reply-To: Message from Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org>  of "Thu, 07 Sep 2000 21:19:12 BST." <20000907211912.C20005@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> 

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> The point is not that you, or I, do all the work.  The point (and in 
> particular, the point of the conspectus stuff) was to encourage other
> people to feel like they could contribute, with the carrot being a 
> committership if they were committed enough (no pun intended).  The Linux
> folks manage it, the Perl folks manage it. . .

They do manage it, but for a fairly loose definition of "manage."
Perl does benefit greatly by being able to cross the boundries of OS
religion and get volunteers from all corners of the global OS
community whereas Linux, I would argue, actually makes much of its
progress in parallel rather than seeing all that effort going into any
single variant.  How much does Red Hat benefit from the Debian package
manager, for example, or Caldera's Novell networking interoperability
percolate over to Slackware?  We all share a lot of the same problems,
it's just Linux which has somehow managed to create the perception of
all that wood being behind a single arrowhead.

> > You seem to be forgetting that we're volunteer driven again.  
> 
> The comment of yours my reply was directed at talked about paid engineers.

Ah, my mistake, and all I can say to THAT point is that good engineers
are currently pretty hard to find here in the US for any amount of
money. :-)

> I agree, it's printed, and sat next to me.  Why don't we have hordes of
> college kids volunteering to contribute, as Linux does?  Do we want that,
> and if so, how do we attract it?

I think we want it, it's just an open question (which I've been
searching for an answer to for some time now) as to how to get them.
I am disinclined to come to the conclusion that Linux has already
snapped up a goodly percentage of the available talent already and
we're kinda screwed, but on some days...

> Oh, tell me about it.  I was all prepared to take a six month sabbattical
> once FreeBSD Services ltd got off the ground, and then BSDi go and make
> me an offer I can't refuse.

Sorry about that. :-)

- Jordan


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