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Date:      Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:07:59 -0700
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Warner Losh <imp@harmony.village.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf Makefile.alpha Makefile.i386 Makefile.ia64 Makefile.pc98
Message-ID:  <20010425130758.A79694@xor.obsecurity.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1010425160211.40560A-100000@fledge.watson.org>; from rwatson@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 04:03:56PM -0400
References:  <200104252000.f3PK04826409@harmony.village.org> <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1010425160211.40560A-100000@fledge.watson.org>

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On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 04:03:56PM -0400, Robert Watson wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Warner Losh wrote:
>=20
> > In message <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1010425101646.34527A-100000@fledge.watson.or=
g> Robert Watson writes:
> > : Better yet, disable the setting of flags. :-)
> >=20
> > I'd love to do that.  Would people support me?=20
>=20
> It seems to come up every now and then.  Frankly, I'd like to see them
> disabled by default, as they break install onto a variety of non-FFS file
> systems, in jail(), and cause a lot of POLA.  And they offer no real
> benefit in the default install (arguably you might be able to configure
> securelevels to do what they claim, but it will require a lot more thank
> sprinkling noschg on a few kernel modules).=20

Well, I've been saved from a trashed system more than once by the schg
flag on libc..the only real benefit they have is as an
anti-foot-shooting device, but they do pretty well at that.

Kris

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