Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:09:15 -0400 From: "martes" <martes@mgwigglesworth.com> To: Steve Bertrand <steve@ibctech.ca> Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, martes <martes@mgwigglesworth.com> Subject: Re: Spamassassin anyone??? Message-ID: <0000055048@mail.mgwigglesworth.com> References: <1240615371.6029.34.camel@localhost> <20090425022227.GB79909@in-addr.com> <0000054941@mail.mgwigglesworth.com> <20090425201650.GC79909@in-addr.com> <49F3737D.9030704@ibctech.ca>
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>Sat Apr 25 2009 16:33:01 EDT from Steve Bertrand to Gary Palmer =20 >Subject: Re: Spamassassin anyone??? > >Gary Palmer wrote: > >>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 01:59:48PM -0400, martes wrote: >>>> Sorry if this seems like a blinded assumption, however, whenever som= eone >>asks >>>> about the origin of explicit spam, such as the anti-semetic stuff th= at >>was >>>> posting to the list from an obviously mangled header source, someone= >>always >>>> brings up that the lists are not proctared, as if there is not any >>management >>>> at all, and such obvious garbage is just going to post due to lack o= f >>>> supervision, or spam protocals... >>> >>> 1) Please do not top post >>> >>> 2) There are only two known methods for dropping 100% of spam >>> >>> 2a) Have a human sit and read every single e-mail and make a judgemen= t >>> call that only a human can do as to the messages legitimacy. I a= m >>> not aware of any organization anywhere in the world that has >>> managed to get that system to scale to any volume. >>> >>> 2b) Turn off your SMTP server >>> >>> The lists are not *moderated*, other than the -announce lists and >>> freebsd-security-notifications. Most of the lists are open to >>> all posters and not just list members as not everyone who wants >>> to be involved in the project or who uses FreeBSD in some capacity >>> subscribes to the lists. The exception to that is freebsd-security. >>> >>> However do not take the lack of enforcement at the mailing list >>> level as there being no anti-spam measures. There are a variety >>> of A/S measures in place that protect not only the mailing list >>> servers but all freebsd.org e-mail addresses. >>> >>> If you, or anyone else, feels that they could contribute to the defea= t >>> of spam on the FreeBSD lists (e.g. by being an active moderator with >>> a long-term commitment to minimising delays in posting caused by >>> the moderation system) then please feel free to offer your services >>> to the postmaster team. >> > >Amen to every single point in every single one of your comments. > >I'm sure that you will provide an update with those who respond to your >request, that have both operational qualifications, and the time to >spare, within the coming days... :) > >Steve > >ps. apologies for the sarcasm, but this is an ISP list for ISP >operations people (so I thought). Perhaps the FBSD mail spam system has >a ``qualified admit'' rule or something that they could apply. > >Cheers Gary, keep up the great work. > >I simply wanted to know why every time that a bunch of racist non-sense >comes through the list multiple times every month or so, all everyone ev= er >says is that there is no moderation on the list, almost like there is an= >assumption that there is nothing being done at all. >You guys can personally attack all you want, but I simply wanted to know= >why there seemed to be nothing done about this type of thing. All I ha= ve >ever seen is indications that there is nothing to be done because it is=20= a >free, non-moderated list. No one ever responds with something like this=20= until >there is some intent to put someone in their place, evidently.... =20 >It is quite frustrating actualy. But hey, I have my answer now. =20 >You guys can think what you want to about my qulifications. =20 >I am sure not many of you have had to restore datacenter services while >being shot at, or mortars coming in overhead, etc... So I am sure not >much would impress me either.... >Have a good day.=20 >
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