Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:25:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Dale Scott <dalescott@shaw.ca> To: Walter <fbsd@saveouraquifer.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: minder Message-ID: <20141016022524.6484117.6250.3635@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <57856.76.192.184.214.1413423271.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> <543ED8C1.9090508@gmail.com> <543EF466.3070908@saveouraquifer.org> <543F0C42.1060401@gmail.com> <543F12EF.8020207@saveouraquifer.org> <57856.76.192.184.214.1413423271.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu>
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=A0 Original Message =A0 From: Valeri Galtsev Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 7:34 PM To: Walter Reply To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: minder On Wed, October 15, 2014 7:35 pm, Walter wrote: > On 10/15/14, 8:07 PM, Rolf Nielsen wrote: >> On 2014-10-16 00:25, Walter wrote: >> > On 10/15/14, 4:27 PM, Rolf Nielsen wrote: >> >> On 2014-10-15 21:58, Walter wrote: >> >>> but it's hard to know how useful these are without trying them >> >>> all, and I'm hoping people here can guide me. Ultimately, I'm >> >>> interested in secure, encrypted p2p operations starting with >> >>> basic messaging, which will run on Windows-something, Mac, and >> >>> Linux (BSD) OS's. >> >> >> >> And just as pear is a flavour of apple, BSD is really a flavour >> >> of Linux... Right? >> > I may run BSD on some servers, but most people run Linux with a >> > desktop. And if it runs on Linux, it will likely run under BSD. >> >> > Or am I wrong on that? Or that most people use Linux over BSD? >> >> > Walter >> >> That wasn't my point. My point was that the form "Linux (BSD)" is >> dangerously close to calling BSD a Linux distro, which it isn't. > I'll try to be clearer then: I know the BSD's are not Linux distributions= . > I know FreeBSD is it's own OS. But I also know FreeBSD has a Linux > compatibility layer, where it can run Linux programs. Maybe not all > of them, but at least some. > > Desktop Operating System Market Share: > http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=3D= 10&qpcustomd=3D0 > Windows 7 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Windows+7&qpcustomb=3D0> > 52.71% > Market Share of Windows XP > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Windows+XP&qpcustomb=3D0> > Windows > XP > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Windows+XP&qpcustomb=3D0> > 23.87% > Market Share of Windows 8.1 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Windows+8.1&qpcustomb=3D0> > Windows > 8.1 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Windows+8.1&qpcustomb=3D0> > 6.67% > Market Share of Windows 8 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Windows+8&qpcustomb=3D0> > Windows > 8 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Windows+8&qpcustomb=3D0> > 5.59% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.9 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+10.9&qpcustomb=3D0> > Mac > OS X 10.9 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+10.9&qpcustomb=3D0> > 4.05% > Market Share of Windows Vista > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Windows+Vista&qpcustomb=3D0> > Windows > Vista > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Windows+Vista&qpcustomb=3D0> > 3.07% > Market Share of Linux > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Linux&qpcustomb=3D0> > Linux > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Linux&qpcustomb=3D0> > 1.64% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.6 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+10.6&qpcustomb=3D0> > Mac > OS X 10.6 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+10.6&qpcustomb=3D0> > 0.74% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.8 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+10.8&qpcustomb=3D0> > Mac > OS X 10.8 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+10.8&qpcustomb=3D0> > 0.60% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.7 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+10.7&qpcustomb=3D0> > Mac > OS X 10.7 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+10.7&qpcustomb=3D0> > 0.57% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.1 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+10.1&qpcustomb=3D0> > Mac > OS X 10.1 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+10.1&qpcustomb=3D0> > 0.25% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.5 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+10.5&qpcustomb=3D0> > Mac > OS X 10.5 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+10.5&qpcustomb=3D0> > 0.14% > Market Share of Windows NT > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Windows+NT&qpcustomb=3D0> > Windows > NT > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Windows+NT&qpcustomb=3D0> > 0.05% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.4 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+10.4&qpcustomb=3D0> > Mac > OS X 10.4 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+10.4&qpcustomb=3D0> > 0.04% > Market Share of Windows 2000 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Windows+2000&qpcustomb=3D0> > Windows > 2000 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Windows+2000&qpcustomb=3D0> > 0.02% > Market Share of Mac OS X (no version reported) > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+%28no+version+reported%29&qpcustomb=3D0> > Mac > OS X (no version reported) > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Mac+OS+X+%28no+version+reported%29&qpcustomb=3D0> > 0.01% > Market Share of Win64 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Win64&qpcustomb=3D0> > Win64 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Win64&qpcustomb=3D0> > 0.00% > Market Share of Windows 98 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Windows+98&qpcustomb=3D0> > Windows > 98 > <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=3D11&qpaf=3D&qpcustom=3D= Windows+98&qpcustomb=3D0> > > > > Linux has 1.64% market share, but no flavor of BSD makes the list. > I don't think saying Linux is more popular should be a major point of > contention. > > So, my thinking is that if a family of an application runs on Windows, > Mac, and Linux, it would be popular enough not to die out, and > likely to get all the bugs ironed out. AND, if it runs on Linux, FreeBSD > will likely run it too; that's what I meant by my poorly written words > "Linux (BSD)." > > So, can someone help me with a URL to find Minder documentation, and > can I elicit experiences with BitMessage, RetroShare, OpenDC, and the > like. > I'll be starting with FreeBSD and Mac but intend to add Windows and would > like to include Linux also. Thanks. > You would need to exclude desktop users and look at servers specifically to= draw any meaningful conclusions as consumer devices (e.g. commodity comput= ers and phones) will skew the numbers and make the relative percentages mea= ningless. I purport there is *no* significant use of FreeBSD by desktop use= rs, OS X is almost exclusively on desktops, and although there are a lot of= Windows servers, the majority of licenses are on desktop computers. Compounding the difficulty to make valid comparisons is determining the tot= al number of FreeBSD (and Linux) installs when these OS's are freely downlo= aded with no record of use (and how many systems the OS was installed on), = and with a large number of systems behind firewalls and/or not serving web = pages to the public (a significant source of this type of metrics, in the a= bsence of anything better, is to hit all the publically accessible web serv= ers and analyze their responses to *infer* the OS). Compare this to a Microsoft OS, where MS can report actual licenses issued,= but also inadvertently (or on purpose) skew the total by including license= s purchased by OEMS (HP, Lenovo, Dell, etc.), and not necessarily the numbe= r in the hands of end users.=20 Lies, damned lies, and statistics..... Dale ---- www.dalescott.net Transparency with Trust
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