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Date:      Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:26:26 -0400 (EDT)
From:      "Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>
To:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
Cc:        freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: PRs for FreeBSD's meme complex
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909101323530.14497-100000@sasami.jurai.net>
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990910100243.047a0210@localhost>

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On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Brett Glass wrote:
> When one raises serious but difficult questions, it naturally causes
> some stress. But the questions DO need to be addressed. Think of my
> messages as PRs for FreeBSD's "meme complex" -- that is, for advocacy,
> marketing, culture, and other aspects of FreeBSD that don't consist
> solely of code and documentation.

Its not your questions but your manner of discussing them in a
conversation that is lacking.

> >I think you'd find that more people would be interested in what you have
> >to say if you tried correcting the flaws in your communication skills,
> 
> I think you're confusing the message with the messenger. I don't
> believe that my communications skills are flawed at all; written
> communication is one of the things I do for a living, and my work is
> generally well regarded. If you do not agree with some of the opinions
> I express, or feel uncomfortable discussing some of the topics I've
> brought up, it does not mean that there's anything wrong with the way
> I communicate.

In this case, the messenger (you) is making it difficult to discuss the
message.

> >A review of the rules governing the varieties of formal debate might be
> >useful as well.
> 
> Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, mailing lists are not subject to
> rules of formal debate. Certainly, I've had many ad hominem remarks
> lobbed at me -- including the message to which this is a response --
> which would be out of line in such a debate.

"He did it first!"

I'm talking about your inability to not go tangential the moment someone
directly confronts one of your arguements.

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