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Date:      Sun, 8 Dec 2013 18:32:21 +0000
From:      "Teske, Devin" <Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com>
To:        Alfred Perlstein <alfred@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Tom Evans <tevans.uk@googlemail.com>, "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Stable" <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>, "Teske, Devin" <Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com>, Daniel Eischen <deischen@freebsd.org>, Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com>, Kurt Jaeger <lists@c0mplx.org>, Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org>, Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: BIND segway -> python -> first-class ports
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On Dec 5, 2013, at 5:28 PM, Alfred Perlstein wrote:

>=20
> On 12/5/13, 4:39 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Tom Evans <tevans.uk@googlemail.com> wro=
te:
>>=20
>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> wro=
te:
>>>> Of course, the question of what needs to be a class 1 port may prove to
>>> be
>>>> the bikeshed to end all bikesheds! (I think we need Python, Perl, JPEG,
>>>> PNG, GPG, BIND and bright yellow!) And we need a reasonable mechanism =
to
>>>> update this list as the popularity of various tools does change.
>>> Woah, this is missing most of what Alfred was saying. There should be
>>> no "class 1 ports", and if jpeg went in base, it should be because
>>> base requires and uses it, not because it is useful to 3rd party
>>> software in base. The base jpeg *would not* even be visible to
>>> ports/3rd party software by default, only to base and things
>>> especially configured to use base.
>>>=20
>>> You are correct. I did not understand Alfred's proposal correctly.  Of
>> course, I can see several issues with that, as well, but it' a lot more
>> tractable than a set of "baseline" ports.
>>=20
> Tom hit the nail on the head and perfectly described the proposal. Thank =
you Tom.  Kevin, thanks for being open to the idea.
>=20
>=20
> My hope is that it allows us to build richer system.  For instance, go lo=
ok at portsnap(1), it's written in sh(1) and due to that it's pretty slow

Perhaps bsdconfig is the exception to that rule (and can lend a hand).
I designed bsdconfig to run fast under double-emulation...

+ Running under qemu, while...
+ Qemu is running inside a VM, wile...
+ VM has only 1 CPU and 128MB RAM, with minimal disk space, while...
+ VM is running on a 8 year old laptop

The idea is that... if you develop for the worst of environments... you'll =
get
screamin' performance on modern hardware.

In my emulation environment... a single fork is very costly.

So...

Does portsnap need some work? is that what I'm hearing? (smiles)
--=20
Devin

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