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Date:      Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:25:37 -0500
From:      Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>
To:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: "Opposing" the "competition" (was: FreeBSD spokesman (was: So what happens to FreeBSD now?))
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Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> types:
> >If the goal is to kill the FreeBSD project, it's also
> >a pretty good idea. 
> Neither the goal nor the effect of opposing the GPL would be
> to "kill the FreeBSD project." You're engaging in hyperbole here.

No, I'm stating an opinion. To rephrase, if a highly visible member of
the FreeBSD development community launched a vendetta against the GPL,
it would do serious damage to the FreeBSD project. And it would.

Now, if I pointed out that your attacks on the FSF are so
single-minded that you are apparently willing to damage the FreeBSD
project in order to damage the FSF in the process, *that* would be
hyperbole.

> >As for the "culture", anyone who thinks the GPL introduced something
> >new to the open source or free software culture doesn't know the
> >history of such (which may explain the repetitive nature of their
> >discourse :-).
> Not so. The GPL was introduced by Richard Stallman due to his
> PERSONAL vendetta against spinoffs of the MIT AI Lab.

The reason Stallman introduced the GPL is irrelevant to the question
of what the free software culture was like before he did so. Anyone
who is aware of what was going on then knows that the only real change
from the GPL was providing a single license for the large numbers of
people who were already releasing software with the intent that it not
be available for commercial use.

> The GPL also violates authors' rights by attempting
> to appropriate their rights to their own work and preventing them
> from being rewarded for it.

Not so. The GPL is inanimate, and can't attempt anyhing. Any author
who releases something under the GPL does so of their own free will,
and while they may give away the right to be rewarded for the work in
question, they do so knowingly. Since many of them would have used
some less effective "no commercial use" license if the GPL weren't
available, they benefit from doing so.

	<mike
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