Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 12:21:53 -0600 From: Mike Meyer <mwm-dated-1017426114.b7072f@mired.org> To: Eric Anderson <anderson@centtech.com> Cc: Chip Morton <tech_info@threespace.com>, FreeBSD Chat <chat@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [burnscharlesn@hotmail.com: Advocacy help for CS professor] Message-ID: <15518.6465.710922.324623@guru.mired.org> In-Reply-To: <3C9E11B7.F36170B8@centtech.com> References: <20020322013138.A87120@xor.obsecurity.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020324105234.0199cda8@threespace.com> <3C9E11B7.F36170B8@centtech.com>
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In <3C9E11B7.F36170B8@centtech.com>, Eric Anderson <anderson@centtech.com> typed: > Chip Morton wrote: > > I disagree with this one. I would pay cash to have Internet Explorer on > > FreeBSD. It would probably cut down significantly on my Windows use. > > My experience is that IE renders pages faster than any other browser I've > > used recently (except Lynx) and I never find myself wondering if a page > > will display correctly. Just FYI, I've seen a graphical browser that was faster than Lynx on the same platform. It was also very standards-compliant, at least for the standards of the time. It even had a switch to make it swallow non-standard code that MSIE and NS swallowed. I'd pay money for it on FreeBSD. I'd do the port and give it back to the author, but he never answered my letter asking him about it. > I think the problem is that when MS created IE, they intentionally made it > NOT follow all the standards, and then made software that created web pages that > also didn't follow the standards (but broke the rules the MS way). That's SOP for Microsoft. > Netscape didn't follow those broken rules, and since a huge > population of web designers are Windows addicts, they used Windows > tools, which used the easily implementable IE libraries and made > broken html, Netscape appeared to be the one that was "broken". No, Netscape followed their own broken rules, and acted like Microsoft in nearly every way when they had the most popular browser. They didn't even bother send people to the IETF HTML meetings - at least not until after they had already written code that did what the IETF's proposed standards did, but not as well. That's why HTML 3.2 is so much worse than HTML 3.0. Anyone who actually knew anything about the desktop market would have predicted the result of Netscape trying to out-Microsoft Microsoft. It's like the neighborhood bully tangling with the 800-lb gorilla. You get a very broken bully. > If there was a browser out there that did everything IE/Netscape do (including > the GUI email client), I'd pay for it hands down. Opera is close, but no cigar. Since I value security, I turn off all the things that can spread viruses. I also disable a number of other things to save my failing eyesight. I keep a box with Windows installed just to boot and run IE when I come to a site that can't operate in that environment. There's nothing else in the Windows partition that I care about. <mike -- Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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