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Date:      Sat, 06 May 2000 23:49:00 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@village.org>
To:        nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams)
Cc:        Mike Smith <msmith@FreeBSD.ORG>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: [OT] Finding people with GSM phones (was Re: GPS heads up ) 
Message-ID:  <200005070549.XAA68658@harmony.village.org>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 06 May 2000 12:50:04 MDT." <200005061850.MAA18384@nomad.yogotech.com> 
References:  <200005061850.MAA18384@nomad.yogotech.com>  <200005061840.MAA18274@nomad.yogotech.com> <200005061855.LAA07340@mass.cdrom.com> 

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With CDMA, you can get a distance very easily.  The phones know what
time it is, or CDMA doesn't work at all.  That helps a lot.  Much of
GPS's work is knowing what time it is.  Since the phone knows what
time it is, they can do all kinds of calculations and round trip
things to get the distance.  From there, you have a 120degreep arch to
worry about.  Since CDMA towers have 3 antennas, you likely get use
slight phase differences between them to narrow it down further.  The
CDMA folks at qualcomm tend to be smart (although as they have gotten
larger, this tendacy is weaker than it was), so I wouldn't be
surprised if they thought real hard and were able to do something
simple in the end because it happened to fall out of the equasions.

Warner


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