Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 12:00:53 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Andrey Chernov <ache@freebsd.org>, Mark Martinec <Mark.Martinec+freebsd@ijs.si>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: date(1) default format changed between 10.3 and 11.0-BETA3 Message-ID: <20160806100053.5fpf27pcgona7czp@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> In-Reply-To: <20160806041536.GL86883@eureka.lemis.com> References: <dc9483611fd37e051fb68532daf10066@mailbox.ijs.si> <3629a441-ee6d-2407-fa13-5ebd8db8d802@freebsd.org> <000c29ee0f3dbd1d433c565023d69e25@mailbox.ijs.si> <a260a332-0c30-2338-bdd8-840524e8bfd8@freebsd.org> <f51cd89227047ff9249d9ecd68cf1646@mailbox.ijs.si> <279e9b67-da23-cdd6-3a77-b084ad8269eb@freebsd.org> <e851f0064ec13ff99d64e63b74f10d58@mailbox.ijs.si> <4a454eef-55ae-b90d-4441-2aa9708fc747@freebsd.org> <20160806041536.GL86883@eureka.lemis.com>
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--yvyxn2j2jf2min7h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 02:15:36PM +1000, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Friday, 5 August 2016 at 18:56:33 +0300, Andrey A. Chernov wrote: > > On 05.08.2016 18:44, Mark Martinec wrote: > >> On 2016-08-05 17:23, Andrey Chernov wrote: > >>> On 05.08.2016 17:47, Mark Martinec wrote: > >>>> [Bug 211598] > >>>> date(1) default format in en_EN locale breaks compatibility with 1= 0.3 > >>>> and violates POSIX > >>>> > >>>> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D211598 > >>> > >>> It breaks compatibility but not violates POSIX. POSIX care of only its > >>> own POSIX (or C) locale. > >> > >> POSIX does say that the default format should be the same > >> as with "+%a %b %e %H:%M:%S %Z %Y". > >> It also says that %a and %b are locale's abbreviated names. > > > > It is true for _POSIX_ locale only, as I already say. en_US.* is not > > POSIX or C locale. >=20 > It still violates POLA. >=20 I really do not think that it violates POLA fiven that the behaviour you are expecting is still available in the default configurtion that is still POSI= X. Set LC_TIME to C and then you are back on your behaviour (and this is the default when you install FreeBSD). locales should be seen as tzdata for exemple, they are a moving target complicated to handle for every locale we do support: 78 for 11.0-RELEASE a= nd 193 if we do count the encoding variants. locales are updated very often (f= or exemple cldr unicode make a new release of the data every 8 month or so) No locales defines the same date format and that was already the case befor= e the change we did Now if people have strong arguments for a specific locale I'm inclined to a= dd some hacks in our tool that generates our locales to make sure we fix the upstream data (http://cldr.unicode.org) we already committed some and I'm planning to report upstream (cldr) all the issues we have faced to improve. Best regards, Bapt --yvyxn2j2jf2min7h Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXpbVUAAoJEGOJi9zxtz5a2r0QAKpd1WnYZMMOHO311Ipp1qRh 6PQOxnzPiolfzKGpaOQvQI0ZNuQfNNNrWP37/J1XoCkv5ObqY0P/Nw/KrQ8JyQ70 MeYlf5V0TFt1OEcFLrtIhkwtjPwM4wQ80KOFFDwPsKjbAtJm0SXhVSGljkgxtm7d 8ey87vm7G508zLaT4hld7FmFwEbBTdkd/pFdDI5JWZESU7abHcZ29duk+4FZ6BHl KBrJreBp1AboYIyYHEEdNxtgyb+Jcc19Y8FextyPmGoICHmNJEnbySPhpe0A/AUR LsnJV7+ofMtZeYrxaJFVYHfwkyNt0EFNQH4N4ERilVlW6n8cvS6zoFTDpGz5m4zi pLqGDOWUBQx+q6m+oDxujeTIlxScbjoUSnJ5//TQ9gRdCvFUYfdJ+cTYGZ/bXkmD 20Tm7eo690HYBJyA8hAgDr1x1a8VNvQkOYlqjCWDI/YwQG48FTm+TO0xmtpeNdJT pu5+BGFt21/zCcbSwk5AbC+A6BOku0gOYXNyjei0CZzPqPzQnnmvlnVSsKi+neoz kx1maf5dyLVmcS7AYZ1VLPjn3rcKlW3A1wTXZ/3X4F52z+h1vJj1paEMsSJm6a8P 9QMaTHJeQeOpC2nQajpsHEIK/q96CBq2HOisASnaRtc5mikN+w41sCEHV/wP/Xqr eklY4chkV5qRI4RIqihG =AY8v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yvyxn2j2jf2min7h--
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