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Date:      Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:15:58 -0700
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
To:        "Louis A. Mamakos" <louie@TransSys.COM>
Cc:        Thomas Seck <tmseck-lists@netcologne.de>, freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Package system flaws?
Message-ID:  <3D31F81E.290289FD@mindspring.com>
References:  <p05111700b953ed16c118@[128.113.24.47]> <p05111701b953f38542f8@[128.113.24.47]> <20020712121427.GD3678@lummux.tchpc.tcd.ie> <20020712144854.GA756@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <20020713054141.A26277@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <20020713011750.GA755@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <20020714042237.GD931@lizzy.catnook.com> <20020714042623.GB95460@squall.waterspout.com> <20020714095939.GA588@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <200207141333.g6EDXj0L031673@whizzo.transsys.com> <20020714155728.GA4237@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <200207141624.g6EGOa0L033175@whizzo.transsys.com>

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"Louis A. Mamakos" wrote:
> And so what's so difficult to understand?   Why is it that the only
> tools "qualified" for use in maintaining the ports on a machine seem
> to be required to be in the base system?  From what I can tell, the
> direction is to move non-essential stuff out of the base system.

Because *in order to* move stuff out of the base system as
transparently as possible, the base system itself needs to
be under the purview of the package management system.

In other words, the difference between a "PicoBSD" and a
standard minimal installation and a full installation should
come down to two things:

1)	What shows up when you list installed components

2)	What configuration data is mandatory


> Again, I don't see why it's so burdensome to type 'make install' in
> the /usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade directory.

It doesn't solve some problems that people would like to see
solved for them.  8-).

[ ... ]
> Why do you care what the implementation language of the tool is if it
> solves the problem?  Shouldn't we be pleased there even exists a tool
> in the first place?

The implementation language of any tool is irrelevent, so long
as the tool works, and so long as it can be maintained if the
person who wrote/maintains it get hits on the head by a falling
Sputnik.

-- Terry

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