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Date:      Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:20:00 +0100
From:      Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
To:        Brian Feldman <green@unixhelp.org>
Cc:        current@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: wanton Atticizing is bad 
Message-ID:  <68199.914779200@critter.freebsd.dk>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:54:18 EST." <Pine.BSF.4.05.9812271137490.4682-100000@janus.syracuse.net> 

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The cleanups have been discussed in -core.

-committers is a notorious unproductive and flame-prone place to
discuss code removal.

The criteria used is one along the lines of "Would we import this
code today if it hadn't been in the tree?" with a healthy fudge
factor.

Some examples of this process in action:

   if_eg: The driver never worked very well (I know, I have
	  three cards for it!) and nobody cares enough to fix it.

   softmodem: It could never run faster then 14.4, the company went
	  broke and I ever only knew of one other user.

   pcvt: We would never import another console today, just to gain
	VT* emulation, we would tell people to develop it for
	syscons, something which has until now not happened,
	primarily because of the existence of pcvt in the tree.

and so on...

And >>>ONLY<<< if somebody feels strongly enough about some of
this, to go and actively maintain it, is reintroduction open to
discussion

And don't forget: the code can be found in the Attic.

Further hitlist candidates are:

	X-ten
	IPFILTER
	alog
	gp
	asc
	gsc
	mse
	spigot
	spkr
	lpt (ppbus will be standard)
	ctx
	(Suggestions welcome!)

If you consider yourself maintainer of one of these, and therefore
think that the driver should be spared, please send me email.

In the future we >may< require that sufficent hardware is available
at the FreeBSD Test Labs (contact: msmith@freebsd.org) to test the
vital life signs of a driver before it gets imported into FreeBSD.

Mandatory historical perspective section:  Find out why the ship
Wasa was built such that it sank before it even made it out of the
harbour.  If we keep adding to FreeBSD and never weed out, it will
sink under its own weight.

Poul-Henning


In message <Pine.BSF.4.05.9812271137490.4682-100000@janus.syracuse.net>, Brian 
Feldman writes:
>  In the cleanups today, things were broken and irreplacable things deleted.

--
Poul-Henning Kamp             FreeBSD coreteam member
phk@FreeBSD.ORG               "Real hackers run -current on their laptop."
"ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal

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