Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:47:48 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" <jeff.rollin@gmail.com> To: "Paul Saab" <ps@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD Message-ID: <8a0028260608311147n4cd9563hf816d2993edc2f17@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20060831183956.GA43568@elvis.mu.org> References: <950621ad0608310654h78ae0023g346abd108815ae72@mail.gmail.com> <20060831142321.27596.qmail@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6a506d980608311020j156ac46cyb92f1c7bec80d439@mail.gmail.com> <8a0028260608311033l7c16e7bq4ea5c87561095714@mail.gmail.com> <20060831183956.GA43568@elvis.mu.org>
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On 31/08/06, Paul Saab <ps@freebsd.org> wrote: > > Jeff Rollin (jeff.rollin@gmail.com) wrote: > > If Yahoo (to pick the one big vendor I remember making a big thing of > using > > a BSD) don't reincorporate their changes, perhaps that's because the > license > > allows them not to? > > If you think that Yahoo! has not given back to the FreeBSD project, > then you are sorely mistaken. Let me count the ways that Yahoo! > has given back. As I said, Yahoo are the one big company I remember being cited as using a BSD. My point was not that "Yahoo does not give back to the FreeBSD project," but that the BSD licence *allows* them not to give back in a way that the GPL does not allow (say) Google not to give back to the Linux project(s). 1. Most of the freebsd cluster resides in a Yahoo! datacenter > 2. Up until I left at the end of June, Yahoo had a team of 5 people > working on FreeBSD and we gave back just about everything we were > working on to the project. Now there are 4, but they are doing > incredible work for FreeBSD. > 3. NFS locking came from Yahoo! > 4. SACK came from Yahoo! > 5. Accept filters came from Yahoo! > 6. AMD64 port came from Yahoo! > 7. IA64 hardware and support came from Yahoo! pushing Intel > 8. bce came from Yahoo/Iron port pushing on Broadcom to produce a driver > 9. ciss came from Yahoo! > 10. bge improvements and fixes came from Yahoo! > 11. accept filters came from Yahoo! > 12. Numerous private contracts to improve various drivers were funded by > Yahoo! > 13. A ton of ATA hardware was sent to sos to make sure drivers were > supported > and yahoo didn't even use most of those controllers. > 14. Many other developers got hardware directly from Yahoo! > 15. Intel supporting em on FreeBSD came from Yahoo! pressuring Intel > 16. minidumps > 17. twe/twa support came from Yahoo! pressuring 3ware > > I can go on, but my memory gets hazy after 6.5 years of working on > FreeBSD for Yahoo, so before you go bashing Yahoo!, just know that > there are plenty of people doing nothing but FreeBSD work at Yahoo! > We never felt it necessary to actually note that code came from > Yahoo! since most committers know that the code came from Yahoo! > If I were going to bash Yahoo!, I would probably pick some other aspect to moan about. Like! Those! El Reg! Yahoo! related! Headlines! That! Were! Funny! At First! But Got! Predictable! After a while! Jeff.
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