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Date:      Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:19:52 -0700 (MST)
From:      Brian Handy <handy@lambic.physics.montana.edu>
To:        Alfred Perlstein <bright@hotjobs.com>
Cc:        Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>, Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>, bs_13943_34262@adimus.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Fortran in the base system (was Re: sysinstall)
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9812161412140.1860-100000@lambic.physics.montana.edu>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9812161605480.27793-100000@bright.fx.genx.net>

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>>  [There's a nod towards pulling f77 out of the src tree and maybe
>>   making a push to get the ports up to date]
>
>You realize that doing so makes FreeBSD look bad to new compsci students
>who all have to take that dreaded FORTRAN class sometime during their
>education?

Does not follow.  The discussion up to here has already illustrated we
have a lousy f77 compiler, so what's so wrong with just adding a better
package (of your choice!) from the ports tree?  For years people have had
to do this to get a useable perl and that seemed OK.  

>Yes a lot of people have different expectations of FreeBSD, one of mine
>and many compsci students is a useable FORTRAN enviornment.

But you'd still get this with the port.  (Granted, my whole argument is
based on updating the ports, and the g77 port in particular, maybe with an
eye towards using the egcs port.)  It's much easier politically to keep
ports up to date than stuff in the source tree as well, which I think
would be a big win.  (I'd kinda like to play with some f90 stuff, which I
didn't realize was starting to come with this.)

Brian


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