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Date:      Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:08:06 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Pat Lynch <lynch@bsdunix.net>
To:        spork <spork@super-g.com>
Cc:        Francisco Reyes <freyes@inch.com>, FreeBSd Chat list <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Of SDSL, speed and bad ISPs
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906280805170.430-100000@bytor.rush.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.00.9906270022020.23119-100000@super-g.inch.com>

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Being right oputside of NJ, is it actually possible to get a DSL line
outside of the areas Bell Atlantic says its not possible, or is it the
combination of bad copper/distance from the CO?

I know next to nothing about DSL (I'm a systems administrator, not a
network engineer Jim!) and I need some kind of faster access here ....and
well the best I've been able to get is a dedicated 56k modem for a couple
hundred a month *sigh*

-Pat

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Pat Lynch						lynch@rush.net
							lynch@bsdunix.net
Systems Administrator					Rush Networking
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On Sun, 27 Jun 1999, spork wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Francisco Reyes wrote:
> 
> > After almost 3 months, about 2 longer than expected, I finally got a
> > working SDSL line.
> 
> For New York City, that's pretty good.  Of course a nice local ISP like
> the one you use (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) would have given you a better
> estimate of how long you would have to wait...
> 
> > Getting it installed involved a lot of calling the ISP and just
> > constantly finding a person higher up in the food chain to call. This
> > line is at one of my clients and he basically ended up talking to some
> > pretty high up people and this was the only way we got the dam thing
> > installed.
> 
> This is because EVERYONE (Verio included) uses either:
> 
> the local telco
> Northpoint
> Covad
> 
> in NYC.  There's RedConnect, but they are a whole other story...
> 
> > It is scary that with all the pushing it took us almost 3 months. Don't
> > want to think how long it takes if one doesn't call daily. We did
> > waited a little over a month before we started calling daily.
> > Originally they promissed in 2 to 3 weeks.
> 
> At least they're optimistic ;)
> 
> > It is a 200K line, however did a couple of simple downloads and was
> > only getting 4K to 6K downloading.
> > I had to leave shortly after having got the line up, but plan to do
> > further testing soon.
> > 
> > What kind of thoughtput should I see in a 200K line?
> 
> A 200 kilobit line should give you about 23 KiloBytes (what Netscape and
> most ftp clients report in) to a well-connected site (taking out a bit of
> the ATM overhead).
> 
> > And for those in the NorthEast... Avoid using Verio as an ISP.. not
> > only it took them a long time to get things done, but they totally
> > ignored our calls and we had to call their main office (in the west
> > coast I believe) to get things done.... and in the end it turned out
> > that the installation was done by another company (northpoint) which
> > makes me think Verio may be just a reseller... At least in this area.
> 
> They are a reseller everywhere, but they do have a TV ad campaign.  The
> cost involved in putting DSL in every CO is very high, especially if you
> want to cover the 5 boroughs of NYC, so there is really only Covad,
> Northpoint, Bell ATlantic, and Red in the COs.  In less populated areas
> you might see a smaller ISP trying this on their own, but going through a
> reseller (we use Covad) eliminates the need for us to roll trucks for
> installs or battle with Bell Atlantic over getting a decent copper pair
> for a customer.  While I've seen some of our SDSL installs go very slowly,
> Covad is good enough to uptdate the ISP partner and customer on a regular
> basis.  The delays are usually:
> 
> Covad can't get the copper
> Bell Atlantic gives them an unusable line
> 
> Both of these result in a lengthy and painful series of trouble tickets
> between Bell and Covad.  However, all our DSL customers do seem to be
> happy customers once it works...
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
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