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Date:      Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:53:28 +0200
From:      Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be>
To:        Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>
Cc:        Tom <tom@uniserve.com>, Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>, Pascal Hofstee <daeron@Wit401305.student.utwente.nl>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: softupdates in latest build?
Message-ID:  <v04205509b3fa869e58b9@[195.238.1.121]>
In-Reply-To: <199909061829.LAA20185@dingo.cdrom.com>
References:  <199909061829.LAA20185@dingo.cdrom.com>

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At 11:29 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Mike Smith wrote:

> Again, it is imperative that you _read_ the technical discussions that
> preceeded this, or any, change before you leap in and criticise it
> blindly.

	I went back and carefully re-read 
<http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/stable.html>.  While it says that 
you should subscribe to the -stable and cvs-all mailing lists if you 
want to track -STABLE, it says nothing about reading every single 
message on every single FreeBSD-related mailing list before 
attempting to do anything, and certainly before attempting to post 
any messages.


	If that is going to be a requirement, then you might want to make 
some changes to the way subscriptions are handled.  I'm sure it 
wouldn't be too hard to take all the archives of all the mailing 
lists and mail them out to any non-subscriber who ever attempts to 
post to the mailing list, or to anyone who attempts to actually 
subscribe to the lists.

	You could embed the instructions on how to really subscribe to 
the mailing list within the megabytes (or is it gigabytes?) that 
would be sent out, and if you made proper use of all current 
technology in compression, cryptography, steganography, and encoding 
technology, you could be quite well assured that anyone who managed 
to get through would either have actually read and understood every 
single message that was sent to them in the archives, or that they 
had a friend who had already done so.


	All I can promise that I do is that I *try* to do all the 
possible research beforehand (I like to be self-sufficient, so I 
would prefer to RTFM than resort to asking people for the answers, 
even if asking people would be faster or easier), and that when I do 
finally post to a mailing list or newsgroup, I usually try to 
document what resources I've used to get to the point where I'm at, 
and what problems I am facing for which I have not found the solution 
in the documentation.

	I still believe that this overall approach is the correct one. 
If there is a flaw in this overall approach, I would appreciate it if 
you would share your wisdom on that subject.

-- 
    I'm perfectly willing to RTFM.  In fact, I prefer it.  However,
   sometimes I need a little assistance in determining just exactly
  which section of which FM I should be R'ing.  Detailed suggestions
as to precisely which section of which FM should be R are appreciated.
       -Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be>


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