Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:26:54 -0700 From: Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au> To: Amancio Hasty <hasty@rah.star-gate.com> Cc: Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>, "Pedro F. Giffuni" <pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard Message-ID: <199809210326.UAA02832@word.smith.net.au> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:22:50 PDT." <199809210222.TAA02158@rah.star-gate.com>
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Redirected to -advocacy, where this sort of invective is probably more appropriate. > I am the wrong person for this task because I don't have time. Well a fat lot of use you are then. 8) Seriously, what value is there in saying "someone should do something about this"? Of bloody course someone should, and the only someone to do anything has done everything I can, and the last thing I need is someone that's unwilling to do *anything* telling me that something more needs to be done. You still need to learn that being an advocate means *doing* something, not whining about what you think "someone else" should be doing. > Perhaps, someone from the commercial sector can step in : > Oracle, Yahoo, Whistle or Juniper. > > All of the above companies have architect class engineers and it is really > to their advantage to contribute something in this area. Oracle are no longer interested in FreeBSD (see John Dyson'ss swansong), Whistle are at the other end of the market (embedded systems) and UDI would be an unnecessary expense, Juniper aren't likely to care (UDI doesn't address any of their problems). Yahoo would only be interested if there was something UDI had to offer them (and right now that's nothing). UDI will come to FreeBSD when either a) it ceases to be vapourware and/ or b) it has something to offer someone such that it becomes worthwhile to invest in it. My goal was to convince Intel that a deliverable for the BSD environment would be more widely useful as a reference implementation than one for the Linux environment. I was unable to make any headway despite researching the matter intensely some time back; someone with no coding skills but some technical marketting acumen and more free time to spend on might-be's would have a better chance of coming up with the goods. > Amancio > > P.S.: I will try to review the UDI stuff this week and post a review > however please don't hold your breath because among many things > that I am doing is buying a house. Don't waste your time reviewing it. Campaign with Intel, SCO and Adaptec to have the UDI reference implementation deliverable on a BSD, not on Linux. > > > > UDI is a reasonably nice framework. Someone with some time on their > > > > hands might want to try implementing it for FreeBSD. Last time I read > > > > the drafts, there were still significant omissions, particularly > > > > addressing the way that a UDI driver might integrate with the system > > > > > > All the more reason for someone with some time to get involved now rather > > > than later and finding out that there are significant architecture drawbacks > > > which could possibily make UDI unfeasible for FreeBSD. > > > > > > Someone could probably make a case for FreeBSD given that Yahoo , Oracle, > > > and a few other large companies are using FreeBSD and making money where > > > as in the Linux camp thats probably a rarity . > > > > I've applied the pressure I've been able to, given the time. It may be > > too late, but if you want to campaign on the issue, the person at Intel > > to talk to is "Saxena, Sunil" <sunil.saxena@intel.com>. You might want > > to include Mark Bradley <markb@btc.adaptec.com> and Kurt Gollhart > > <kdg@sco.com> in your discussions. Note that these last two are "big > > cheese" technical people (Kurt is SCO Core OS Architect), so you want to > > be concise and avoid bullshitting them. > > > > Note that most of the guts of a UDI interface to an operating system is > > system specific; you're providing the mapping between the UDI API and > > the host API. In some cases, the mapping will be complex (eg. the UDI > > SCSI driver backend to CAM), in others it will be trivial. > > -- > > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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