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Date:      Mon, 4 May 1998 05:01:29 +0200
From:      Eivind Eklund <eivind@yes.no>
To:        "Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>
Cc:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: ports/www/ijb - Imported sources
Message-ID:  <19980504050129.52485@follo.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980503223211.20104I-100000@sasami.jurai.net>; from Matthew N. Dodd on Sun, May 03, 1998 at 10:41:43PM -0400
References:  <19980504041342.42915@follo.net> <Pine.BSF.3.96.980503223211.20104I-100000@sasami.jurai.net>

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On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 10:41:43PM -0400, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:
> On Mon, 4 May 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote:
> > Blocking software a la ijb only end up repeating the endless war between
> > crackers/pirates (that's you), and those writing copy/content protection.
> 
> I beg your pardon.  I don't believe that you have any valid basis for
> calling me a cracker/pirate.  You've gone a bit too far too quickly on
> your moral high horse.

Ah, so you _do_ have a respect for copyright at some level.  Neat - it means
there is some way to evoke your feelings ;-)

You're employing a crack (that's ijb) to avoid paying for (that's viewing
ads) the production of software/content.  You may or may not be inside the
law - that's not something that I'm qualified to determine.

However, it is fairly clear that what you're doing deprive the rightful
owner/creator of their payment - which is what is the point of piracy.  It
might not feel like it, but in practice it has the exact same results. You
don't have to like it, but I can't see any reason to retract my statement
:-(

> > I don't even remember if that was the correct case.  I remember that
> > there is a California statute against 'instruments for crime' or
> > information which makes things work as an instrument for crime; I'm not
> > certain if it came up in the Neidorf case.  I remember having seen it in
> > use about 5 years ago, and I think I remember it being in CUD.  I'd have
> > to dig through old CUDs to find it - I haven't saved them (I haven't
> > read CUD for 5 years or so, so it is some time ago). 
> 
> This isn't the 'criminal paraphernalia' (most of the junk I haul around in
> my backsack could be considered such) is it?  Thats so broad as to be
> absurd.

Porobably.  It was used against people selling blue boxes at one time, and I
believe it was attempted employed against Craig (but I might remember
wrongly here).

> However, since you seem to be a practicing copyright lawyer I'll have to
> defer my opinions and conjecture on this issue to your expert judgements.

I'm not in any way a practicing lawyer (as if you didn't know that ;-).  I
attempt to be a practicing ethical human being; I don't even always pass
that test...

Eivind.

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