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Date:      Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:02:20 -0700
From:      Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>
To:        Chad David <davidc@acns.ab.ca>
Cc:        Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>, "M. Warner Losh" <imp@village.org>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Transmissions :) Was: Firewall config non-intuitiveness
Message-ID:  <15445.48220.670641.705228@caddis.yogotech.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020128135603.G66369@colnta.acns.ab.ca>
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[ This is getting way off topic, so I've moved this to -chat ]

> > > : If I enable the clutch in my car, my car moves (assuming it's in gear).
> > > : If I disable it, the power is no longer going to the drive wheels.
> > > 
> > > That's not quite right, but it is a good analogy.  If you disable your
> > > clutch, then you are going to have to shift without it and deal with
> > > putting it into gear at stops.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, you can't do it w/out a clutch.  (At least, not without
> > tearing your clutch/transmission to bits).
> 
> No true :).  While at a stop a clutch is a good idea, you can avoid
> ware on a number of parts if you learn to shift without clutch while
> moving.

Actually, the wear you save on the clutch (which is designed for this)
will be translated to the gears in the transmission.  Very few (!!)
people are capable of shifting w/out a clutch and *NOT* doing damage to
the gears.

Hence the reason for a clutch.

> On smaller four and five speed transmissions (or bikes)this is
> actually quite easy... on 3 ton grain trucks and tractors its a little
> more tricky.

Actually, on grain trucks it's *easier*.  (Speaking with 15 years of
experience driving them. :) :) :)

On the smaller cars, the synchro-mesh setup on the gears makes it *much*
harder to do it cleanly, while on big grain trucks and bikes, it's
easier since they don't add such things since they are mostly
un-necessary.  (And, not using a clutch is more common.)


Nate

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