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Date:      Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:03:19 +1000
From:      Stephen McKay <syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au>
To:        Mike Smith <msmith@freebsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org, syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au
Subject:   Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired! 
Message-ID:  <199912110503.PAA01950@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au>
In-Reply-To: <199912110158.RAA04944@mass.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:58:59 -0800"
References:  <v04220809b47724ea06b3@[195.238.25.55]> <199912110158.RAA04944@mass.cdrom.com>

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On Friday, 10th December 1999, Mike Smith wrote:

>The same mentality that made the CAM cutover a "debacle" is making the 
>ata cutover a "debacle".  

This "mentality" might be an unavoidable part of human nature.  I found
my first reaction was "How dare they take away something I have now?!"
and it took some careful thinking to see that my loss was actually very
small against future benefits.  It might be that these things have to be
predicted by -core and handled "touchy feely" like:

core:	What if we do this <decisive break with past> ?
public:	Um, sounds scary.  When will you do it?  Will I lose anything?
core:	We think a month from now, and you will lose support for <x> and <y>.
public: We don't use <x> and <y> any more, so fine.

instead of the current (caricatured for emphasis):

core:	We will do <decisive break with past> soon.  Probably today.
public:	Oh my God!
core:	It's for your own good.  You always complain and make it difficult!
public:	We don't want to change anything, ever!  It's so hard!  You must
	support all my hardware for ever and ever!

>Fortunately, the CAM folks persisted despite the criticism, and I'm glad 
>to see that Soren is taking the same stance.

Not everything improved with CAM.  Personally I'm only receiving the
benifits of CAM now, about a year after it replaced the old system.
On the balance it has been good for FreeBSD, but you have to remember
that there will be small pockets of users that will get the short end
of the stick.  How the project deals with the losers in these deals is
important for its long term health.

Stephen.


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