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Date:      Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:22:52 -0800
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
To:        dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU
Cc:        akruijff@dds.nl, cls@raggedclown.net, chat@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Spam decisions
Message-ID:  <3DFA095C.3117915@mindspring.com>

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David Schultz wrote:
> I whitelist mailing list mail and off-list responses thereto, when
> I can identify it.  The idea that ``I don't know anyone in country
> X, so mail from there must be SPAM'' breaks down for mailing
> lists.  I actually think that in general, if a whitelist is
> required at all, there must be something wrong with the model.

The problem is "recevier filter" rather than "receiver proxy filter".

When the mail is accepted into your POP3 maildrop on your behalf
by your ISP's SMTP server, rather than giving an SMTP 5xx error
code on the address, it validates the email addresses for you.

The only way to really deal with this is to change the "DATA"/"RCPT"
processing order in the SMTP protocol itself, and institute server
side filters.

What it really boils down to is that you need to have a means of
rejecting at transfer time for delayed delivery, messages for which
an address does not exist, based on both envelope and content of the
message.  You can't really do this, if you OK the address as existing
without having the content in hand.

The down side is that the misaddressed mail transfer burden will go
up; but largely, that's a "sender pays the time" issue, since mail
servers themselves tend to be well connected, relative to mail
originators/clients.

The remaining problem of a "sieve"-like filter on the receiving
SMTP server is one of compute overhead: server side filtering
increases server overhead.  Basically, that means, minimally, a
shared classification engine.

So... time to jin the SMTP mailing group of the IETF, and fix the
protocol, after which the other stuff becomes less important.

-- Terry

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