Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 20:01:40 -0500 From: "Steve Friedrich" <SteveFriedrich@Hot-Shot.com> To: "Michael Borowiec" <mikebo@Mcs.Net> Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.ORG" <questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Securing the FreeBSD console Message-ID: <199812100104.UAA19560@laker.net>
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On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:24:47 -0600 (CST), Michael Borowiec wrote: >Uhhh... apparently I've pissed people off somehow - either by something >I said, or the way I said it. If this is the case, I'm sorry. In no way >did I mean to disparage anyone or suggest that I expected the group here >to cater to me. I can't speak for anyone else (especially since I don't even know them), but I'm not pissed off, and I haven't taken any personal shots at you. If you felt like you got flamed, sorry. But I think we all should try to temper new users expectations. I read messages on here from people wanting marketing glossies, someone to fill out several of pages of Y2K compliance statements (these being sent in by people often claiming to be Y2K consultants), ad nauseum. The software is available for free, therefore people should be able to figure out in their own minds that there are no glitzy marketing materials (ok, Walnut Creek probably has some they hand out at shows). Some people don't seem to get the idea that the majority of FreeBSD people are volunteers (some people are actually employed by Walnut Creek, some sell books, etc). If I went off on you, sorry. But please consider the above diatribe. There are many people running FreeBSD, but only a fraction of those have contributed to the project. I've only been using FreeBSD since July, but I'll make a contribution soon. >I am an avid FreeBSD user; have used it since 386BSD. I think the >purpose of the questions list is to be a forum for discussing technical >facts about the OS, but also to float suggestions on how a great OS can >be made better. We won't all always agree on these things, or on how >the OS should ship on the CDs - but that doesn't make me a bad guy >(moron, newbie, scrotum head, or any of the names I was called today). Yes, but you didn't begin this thread by modestly asking if these *anomalies* (note I didn't say bug, defect, or hole) would be good opportunities for development. You began with an emotionally charged salvo. I haven't made it personal, and I haven't seen any messages that did (though you may get some not cc'd to the list). I do agree that your concerns could be better documented. See http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook364.html#714 >I still believe that the three-finger salutes should be disabled by >default - but that's just one person's opinion. If I can contribute to >the effort by documenting these holes, great! If someone would be so >kind as to point me to the procedure for formatting and submitting the >the documentation, I'll help out. That's a big concern for people that have been brainwashed by IBM/Microsoft/Intel into thinking that's a way out of a problem. But many, if not most, of the people using unix are not used to rebooting the machine to recover. But the operator of the machine (this has been an unspoken or not often spoken *law* since man created the first tool) is responsible for it's initial state, i.e., kick the tires, etc. >I'll just go cry in my pretzels now... <sniff>. :v) May I suggest you cry in your beer ;o) instead. You won't taste it anyway, and your pretzels will still be crisp... Unix systems measure "uptime" in years, Winblows measures it in minutes. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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