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Date:      Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:33:54 +0200
From:      Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl>
To:        "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1 cgram.y decl.c emit.c emit1.c externs.h func.c init.c mem.c mem1.c scan.l tree.c src/usr.bin/xlint/lint2 chk.c hash.c main2.c msg.c read.c src/usr.bin/xlint/xlint xlint.c
Message-ID:  <20010726223354.G65558@daemon.ninth-circle.org>
In-Reply-To: <20010726115925.D54323@dragon.nuxi.com>
References:  <200107241402.f6OE28K61953@freefall.freebsd.org> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0107250002590.42017-100000@besplex.bde.org> <20010724073537.C62582@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010725171617.I46731@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010726115925.D54323@dragon.nuxi.com>

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-On [20010726 21:05], David O'Brien (obrien@FreeBSD.org) wrote:
>On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 05:16:17PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
>> Like I said in private email, and I wasn't up to date with the
>> committers mail just yet (still working on that) to see where it got
>> forwarded from, I am definately NOT pleased with this and other
>> assumptions you make.
>> 
>> 1) The original author hasn't done _anything_ since the original import.
>
>Where did I say that??  The IMPORTER into FREEBSD hasn't done any syncs
>to NetBSD.  That is what I said.

I didn't disagree with that.
I was merely being factious there.

>> 2) NetBSD and OpenBSD both has different fixes and solutions which I was
>>    and still am synching with our version.  And I didn't care for the
>>    vendor branches since I was and still am interested (and working on)
>>    getting lint up to date with cool features and what not.
>
>Why are you not interested in the vendor branches?  If you follow the
>NetBSD code base, then you should [vendor] import the code.  And you have
>yet to give any reason for adding $FreeBSD$'s when you weren't making any
>other changes to the code.

Please reread what I wrote again then.
I was/am busy synching with NetBSD/OpenBSD, but since the operating
systems have diverted in a number of ways most of this cannot be applied
without changing some things.  The $FreeBSD$'s are merely there as
preperation for what I was working on before my life got sucked away by
my previous job.

>> What strikes me the worst of all is the presumptions you make when you
>> have NO clue what kind of research I have done with regard to this, who
>> I have talked this over with and what time pressure I was on to work
>> this out back then.
>
>Who did you discuss this with and what research did you do?

Do I owe you responsibility accounting?

Is my word that I have done research and talked this over with with
people not enough?

>The research of `cvs log' would have shown this was on a vendor branch
>and one should not make content-free commits.

And there we have the presumptions.  You _assume_ I am making
content-free commits.  At that time I was preparing for heavy work on
lint.  That things turned out differently is totally beyond my control
which refers to my point immediately below.

>> We are not all blessed to work full-time on FreeBSD.
>
>What does *that* have to do with anything.

See above.  My work and life took me off of the face of the planet where
it concerned FreeBSD.

>I am not paid to maintain lint.  I made the malloc-unwinding commit on
>my *own* time.

Thank you for your contribution.

>> If I sound pissed, you are correct, I am, and no I will not take this
>> private, since I have no respect for the way you have been treating
>> me as a person, my judgement and reasons in public.
>
>WTF are you talking about?  The only comment I've made about you is
>that you took the xlint code off the vendor branch, and I don't think
>that was a good judgment on your part.

Which you preferred to question in public before even contacting me
privately.

>There must be something else where fueling your anger that I do not
>know about or understand.

Not really.
Just tired of the amount of flamage/disrespect which I see from your
side.

>> >If you object to this commit, I am willing to back it out prejudice.
>> 
>> That wouldn't be the first time you think you can assume to be lord and
>> master over FreeBSD.  Do it, back it out and I will without a second
>> thought hand in my privileges to the FreeBSD project
>
>WTF are you talking about??  I offered to put things back the way I found
>them; and now if I do you are quitting FreeBSD?

Lack of respect due to not contacting me, saying to reverse the entire
thing without contacting me.  Yeah, you forwarded me part of the email
without any hint where it came from.  And although the subject referred
to a commit, the rest of the email was stripped from previous comments
and only contained your text, which led me believe it was some sort of
private conversation.

And all that lack of contacting me prior to just spouting your opinions
about it in the public.

>Damned if I do, damned if I don't.  Well you and BDE talk together and
>decide what I could do to make the both of you happy.

We will see.

I refer to my other email that this discussion is leading nowhere, and
this will be my last email on the matter.

-- 
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org]
Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/
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