Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:45:43 -0400 From: Jon Radel <jon@radel.com> To: PJ <af.gourmet@videotron.ca> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must Message-ID: <4ADB7E77.900@radel.com> In-Reply-To: <4ADB68AE.3080503@videotron.ca> References: <20091017223504.AB7DB1065716@hub.freebsd.org> <20091018173037.K70724@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <4ADB68AE.3080503@videotron.ca>
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This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010006020404080201090302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PJ wrote: > > It's owrthless to read your entire comment here as everyone is > forgetting two things, here... > 1. COMMON SENSE > 2. NOT EVERYONE WHO READS MANUALS OR MAN PAGES IS NECESSARILY LIMITED TO > THE NARROW MINDBEND OF THE "INITIATED". There are those who think those who bitch because they've not taken the time to understand "terms of art" (to borrow language from yet another of the many, many sub-varieties of English) that have been widely used in the community for decades, and seem to feel that their resulting confusion is obviously somebody else's fault and duty to fix, lack sense, common or otherwise. On this, I suspect we'll just have to disagree. (Though I will point out that in the above passage you've just told us that you admit to having forgotten common sense. Ordinarily I wouldn't stoop this low, but you've just spent much time telling us how much clearer, better, and comprehensible your brand of English is.)) Personally, I welcomed Ian's comments, as I believe he was the first to point out explicitly that language such as this is contextual, long-standing in the community in which it is used, and really not that confusing once you pay attention. (My apologies to anyone else who discussed this earlier; I found it difficult to read every message in this thread.) BTW, it's hard for me, personally, to take seriously anyone who quotes in full, with no trimming, something which he dismisses as "worthless to read." -- --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms010006020404080201090302 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJMTCC AvMwggJcoAMCAQICEB1eDeVYxhAO39zOEnHiAbwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UE BhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMT I1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA5MDIyNTA0MTMyNloX DTEwMDIyNTA0MTMyNlowXjEOMAwGA1UEBBMFUmFkZWwxEzARBgNVBCoTCkpvbiBUaG9tYXMx GTAXBgNVBAMTEEpvbiBUaG9tYXMgUmFkZWwxHDAaBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWDWpvbkByYWRlbC5j b20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDeT7qtj+euqWr2wXM7OnwrXJe9 Jlc0CGaM69AcTWOFakRY7MUXrqcmF5WjrqrMoagfGjS362eb6787x313ZdLoGuQPh/o2Mqp4 BbSgcnGZRj82SxkUmSN6+2q5ZOOYA6JmfvJwmBuRQ8sHki4GnoSwbIc11a70/z4at5qRi8bb /RtmJYewnpwXErfuuq0hhVSsYKFPXELzSahlpyC+lUfIdgvLJGxc7eU5QuvtYmuohNjn4k9C SJinvfjFbkvgbIgtvZxxmcE74NsKTeW2bEwgoCjZlcAD/QMgLE9KGSVn4/LzC/OZwkPKcWKO CPTNIZK1P+HxaIW4BvvYtjLu2Qx5AgMBAAGjKjAoMBgGA1UdEQQRMA+BDWpvbkByYWRlbC5j b20wDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBT+qFXV8sexrNOJuK8rhVpnCNF iFslD9Kelhon5Tt1tlTsw+B9F9B8ys9tfV559tzVqE+ULcqnjX2rsaJCwFmn6gyucCN0yGML h1O4ddsNQmoTOILyBCv/rkfO4tbXJM3si2JDNPZnL/0Rf3FpDTc3U3SnAdqE1a/8PGBTTmay VDCCAvMwggJcoAMCAQICEB1eDeVYxhAO39zOEnHiAbwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkG A1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNV BAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA5MDIyNTA0MTMy NloXDTEwMDIyNTA0MTMyNlowXjEOMAwGA1UEBBMFUmFkZWwxEzARBgNVBCoTCkpvbiBUaG9t YXMxGTAXBgNVBAMTEEpvbiBUaG9tYXMgUmFkZWwxHDAaBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWDWpvbkByYWRl bC5jb20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDeT7qtj+euqWr2wXM7Onwr XJe9Jlc0CGaM69AcTWOFakRY7MUXrqcmF5WjrqrMoagfGjS362eb6787x313ZdLoGuQPh/o2 Mqp4BbSgcnGZRj82SxkUmSN6+2q5ZOOYA6JmfvJwmBuRQ8sHki4GnoSwbIc11a70/z4at5qR i8bb/RtmJYewnpwXErfuuq0hhVSsYKFPXELzSahlpyC+lUfIdgvLJGxc7eU5QuvtYmuohNjn 4k9CSJinvfjFbkvgbIgtvZxxmcE74NsKTeW2bEwgoCjZlcAD/QMgLE9KGSVn4/LzC/OZwkPK cWKOCPTNIZK1P+HxaIW4BvvYtjLu2Qx5AgMBAAGjKjAoMBgGA1UdEQQRMA+BDWpvbkByYWRl bC5jb20wDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBT+qFXV8sexrNOJuK8rhVp nCNFiFslD9Kelhon5Tt1tlTsw+B9F9B8ys9tfV559tzVqE+ULcqnjX2rsaJCwFmn6gyucCN0 yGMLh1O4ddsNQmoTOILyBCv/rkfO4tbXJM3si2JDNPZnL/0Rf3FpDTc3U3SnAdqE1a/8PGBT TmayVDCCAz8wggKooAMCAQICAQ0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgdExCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUw EwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUgVG93bjEaMBgGA1UEChMRVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcxKDAmBgNVBAsTH0NlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gU2VydmljZXMgRGl2aXNp b24xJDAiBgNVBAMTG1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBDQTErMCkGCSqGSIb3DQEJ ARYccGVyc29uYWwtZnJlZW1haWxAdGhhd3RlLmNvbTAeFw0wMzA3MTcwMDAwMDBaFw0xMzA3 MTYyMzU5NTlaMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAo UHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBD QTCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAxKY8VXNV+065yplaHmjAdQRwnd/p/6Me 7L3N9VvyGna9fww6YfK/Uc4B1OVQCjDXAmNaLIkVcI7dyfArhVqqP3FWy688Cwfn8R+RNiQq E88r1fOCdz0Dviv+uxg+B79AgAJk16emu59l0cUqVIUPSAR/p7bRPGEEQB5kGXJgt/sCAwEA AaOBlDCBkTASBgNVHRMBAf8ECDAGAQH/AgEAMEMGA1UdHwQ8MDowOKA2oDSGMmh0dHA6Ly9j cmwudGhhd3RlLmNvbS9UaGF3dGVQZXJzb25hbEZyZWVtYWlsQ0EuY3JsMAsGA1UdDwQEAwIB BjApBgNVHREEIjAgpB4wHDEaMBgGA1UEAxMRUHJpdmF0ZUxhYmVsMi0xMzgwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEFBQADgYEASIzRUIPqCy7MDaNmrGcPf6+svsIXoUOWlJ1/TCG4+DYfqi2fNi/A9BxQIJNw PP2t4WFiw9k6GX6EsZkbAMUaC4J0niVQlGLH2ydxVyWN3amcOY6MIE9lX5Xa9/eH1sYITq72 6jTlEBpbNU1341YheILcIRk13iSx0x1G/11fZU8xggNkMIIDYAIBATB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNU aGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQHV4N5VjGEA7f3M4SceIBvDAJ BgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBwzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEP Fw0wOTEwMTgyMDQ1NDNaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBR9MDFEwIWmydlczl8jrWxqYwCM8jBS BgkqhkiG9w0BCQ8xRTBDMAoGCCqGSIb3DQMHMA4GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgIAgDANBggqhkiG9w0D AgIBQDAHBgUrDgMCBzANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIBKDCBhQYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMXgwdjBiMQswCQYD VQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UE AxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECEB1eDeVYxhAO39zOEnHi AbwwgYcGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMXigdjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3Rl IENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECEB1eDeVYxhAO39zOEnHiAbwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggEAc7yk ecWZcba0yusr1m9qLyR42ACUUxAuujVOJBOhVaar4JqrlhSwB9vbJu2h84urP6yQi0eAfayq j4C+K9kHn07HljNqeuqle5miXg8xscCTvwsIMoqJ2xL+Q/uUQbd1oLFHvTD2AIodqW/J1T0t w1DQwU+7RatyjYvm0679yg4EXHWA95JQ1iLGYeMFUPA8pUSO5sTwmIHGURi2HKrMinya9x4O Y7nNxWNbSHsXHhOoxoZtlsdTtzr7L5UQzUL2BMn7oFJe2QixDutN4cNlOo5Xl3dUZGQX+5VL FeZ+HqpXKB9tY3tIQumxNgLeAZpZtN91ISPmUvKp/3dhSr5kGwAAAAAAAA== --------------ms010006020404080201090302--
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