Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 21:30:58 +0100 From: Philippe =?iso-8859-1?Q?Aud=E9oud?= <jadawin@FreeBSD.org> To: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> Cc: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, marino@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org, Rene Ladan <rene@FreeBSD.org>, John Marino <dragonflybsd@marino.st> Subject: Re: svn commit: r335281 - in head: . audio audio/gnump3d Message-ID: <20131202203058.GA75212@tuxaco.net> In-Reply-To: <20131202184749.GC30485@lonesome.com> References: <529C5F05.6020706@marino.st> <20131202104324.GB71618@tuxaco.net> <529C689B.9050902@marino.st> <20131202131244.GC71618@tuxaco.net> <529C8C1F.7050802@marino.st> <20131202134921.GD71618@tuxaco.net> <529C91F2.6020004@marino.st> <20131202145224.GH71618@tuxaco.net> <529CA16C.2060000@marino.st> <20131202184749.GC30485@lonesome.com>
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On Mon, 02 Dec 2013, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 04:04:12PM +0100, John Marino wrote: > > 3. This is the clause that needs updating. It gives too much power > > to the listed MAINTAINER. It could and should allow others to fix the > > port if it restores the port to how the maintainer intended. [...] > > Some of this "power" needs to be clawed back. > > The problem is (from a past portmgr's viewpoint) is that there is no > "perfect" way to word a set of rules. A corollary is that sometimes > if you try, you wind up with a lot of words that no one reads :-) > > While on portmgr I maintained a deliberate bias in favor of existing > maintainers. My reasoning is that contributing to FreeBSD is sometimes > hard and thankless, and if someone just hears too much negative feedback, > they may just find something else better to do. (This has been my > experience with other volunteer efforts). OTOH we really should expect > "best effort" from our maintainers, and if not, ask them to step down. > I don't think this was the case here. > > Yes, doing so sometimes meant having to ask people to wait the two weeks > before taking an action, even if I personally agreed that the change was > obvious/needed/sane/etc. > > It's just a problem with different ways of working and different ways of > communicating, aggravated by making assumptions. As we can see in this > thread, it doesn't always work right. There's no "fix" except realizing > that we're human and make mistakes. > > My two cents. I no longer have any official position, so take it for > what it's worth :-) > > mcl Thanks for sharing. -- Philippe Audeoud
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