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Date:      14 Nov 2001 18:33:51 MST
From:      J S <spl1t_h0r1z0n@usa.net>
To:        Yonatan Bokovza <Yonatan@xpert.com>, Giorgos Keramidas <charon@labs.gr>, Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.ORG>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: [RE: Course of law (was: Islam (was: Religions (was Re: helping vi ctims of terror)))]
Message-ID:  <20011115013351.14577.qmail@cpdvg203.cms.usa.net>

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Yonatan Bokovza <Yonatan@xpert.com> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Giorgos Keramidas [mailto:charon@labs.gr]
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 07:31
> > To: Terry Lambert
> > Cc: Greg Lehey; chat@FreeBSD.ORG
> > Subject: Re: Course of law (was: Islam (was: Religions (was =

> > Re: helping vi ctims of terror)))
> > =

> > =

> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 08:19:42PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > > Greg Lehey wrote:
> > > > I think I should point out that I'm targetting the Israelis here
> > > > because they should know better, and that answering =

> > violence with more
> > > > violence doesn't work.  In fact, I'm more sympathetic to =

> > the Israaeli
> > > > cause than I am to the Palestinian cause.  I know that the
> > > > Palestinians started it.  But this isn't the way to get =

> > people to stop
> > > > if they're prepared to die for their cause.
> > > =

> > > Actually, if you eliminate _all_ of your enemies in the
> > > process, answering violence with more violence works.
> > =

> > Well, in a similar tangle of thoughts, if a nuclear holocaust does
> > guarantee that all the `enemies' will die, it `works' too.  But that
> > does not make it justifiable, by any means.
> =

> And Now To Something Completely Different: If your belief is that
> evolution is above all, even the human race, then nuclear
> holocaust is paradise for mutants. That's a Good Thing -
> evolution-wise.
> You see, everything's justifiable with the correct use of some
> sense, imagination and logic to tie it up.
> =


we are all human - no matter what color our skin, or what name we call
our god(s) - inside we are the same.  evolution won't change that, true
we may specialize to the environment we are in, but we will still be
human.  =

and to greg's statement - you can never eliminate all "enemies" unless
you are the only one left (singular, as in one person, not nation).
there can never be enough justification or positive results for killing
and violence.  =


joshua

**fight war, not wars**

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