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Date:      Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:41:21 +0100 (CET)
From:      Leif Neland <root@swimsuit.internet.dk>
To:        Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.com>
Cc:        Bill Vermillion <bill@bilver.magicnet.net>, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: two routers back to back: Do they need real ip-adresses?
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9811130634050.5275-100000@gina.swimsuit.internet.dk>
In-Reply-To: <199811130430.UAA22947@kjsl.com>

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On Thu, 12 Nov 1998, Javier Henderson wrote:

> Bill Vermillion writes:
>  > Leif Neland recently said:
>  > > We had to put in a cisco 1605 router (with 2 ethernet ports) between our
>  > > net and our isp supplying our backbone connection.
>  > 
>  > > The "ethernet", which is only a crossed 10BT cable between the two
>  > > routers, does it need real ip adresses?
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > >              +-----------+      +-----------+     +----+  -----
>  > >  --our net---+ E0     E1 +------+ E0     S0 |-----+    |   \
>  > >    3C's      |   1605    |  	|   100x    |     |    +----
>  > >              +-----------+   ^  +-----------+	  +----+
>  > > 			     |
>  > >                      Can I use 192.168.1.0-adresses here?
>  > > 	             Or even unnumbered ip?
>  > 
>  > As long as both routers know about the other and it is an ethernet
>  > connection - just hook them together.  I did that in the process of
>  > moving 4 C's from one provider to another. It made it convenient
>  > and then I could upgrade the IOS on the first.
> 
> 	I'm trying to understand why you want the 1605 in place. Can't
> you just connect "our net of 3C's" to Ethernet 0 on the first
> router (the one with Serial0 connectd to your ISP)?
> 
Because the 100x belongs to our ISP, and can't always handle the job of
routing between our 3 C's. Sometimes it routes stuff from one C to
another trough S0 up to their central router where it comes back.

We have customers with fixed ip's calling in on different portmasters, and
the 100x can't handle ospf-routing when it also has to handle the
in/outgoing traffic.

We also later will need S0 to go elsewhere.

>  > > Our uplink isp wants us to subnet one of our C's in a /30, is this
>  > > really nessecary?
>  > 
>  > That's typically the address of the serial port.   A /30 gives a
>  > four address range.  The network number, 2 IPS, and a broadcast
>  > number.   The ones I've seen have the ISP as the lower of the two
>  > addresses and the client as the upper of the two.   These normally
>  > are not part of your address space.
> 
> 	The above is correct, though your ISP probably wants you to
> use numbered links so packets generated by either router have an IP
> source address of the interface from which they are leaving the
> router. This can help troubleshoot certain network problems.

Can I use 192.168-adresses?


Leif Neland



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