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Date:      Tue, 2 May 2000 17:46:16 -0700
From:      "Jeremiah Gowdy" <jgowdy@home.com>
To:        "John Papalia" <john@jpepconsulting.com>
Cc:        <smkelly@slashnet.org>, <insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net>, <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD and IRC
Message-ID:  <001101bfb498$fd5b21e0$5a5d0418@vista1.sdca.home.com>
References:  <20000501183644.A75942@lunatic.oneinsane.net> <000901bfb3f8$c6d6f220$5a5d0418@vista1.sdca.home.com> <20000502005033.A68966@edgemaster.zombie.org> <4.3.1.2.20000502103522.00ab5320@mail.udel.edu> <4.3.1.2.20000502181715.00ab1de0@mail.jpepconsulting.com> <4.3.1.2.20000502195211.00aa9100@mail.jpepconsulting.com>

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> The way I view it is simple - the channel "belongs" to the chan-ops for as
> long as they (can) hold it.  However, in this case the name of the channel
> is also the name of the product.  The name doesn't belong to the chan-ops
> (unless someone actually associated with the project wants to correct me
> here? please?).  So, if you're going to run a channel with a name of a
> product that apparently you support (otherwise why would you be on the
> advocacy mailing list to begin with?), they just think about the fact that
> your actions reflect on the product.  Find a better way to "cure your
> problems" (see above).
> "
>
> There was, is, and shall be a "however" in my statement.
>
> Your cavalier "I'm right, you're wrong, get outta my face or I'll curse
> some more at you even though this is a family show" attitude makes the
> project look bad. Period.  Quit being selective in your hearing.

The reason I ignored the rest of your statement is that it was irrelavent.
If you believe a channel belongs to the owners of the channel for as long as
they can hold it, than any other conditions you put on that statement are
irrelavent.

>  From some of the postings, your attitude and mantra are NOT held by all
> the ops on #freebsd - just some.  And given that the FAQ states it's a
> "FreeBSD Forum", NOT a "Jeremiah Gowdy" forum, you should look past the
end
> of your nose and what you think is best for YOU and instead what is best
> for the PROJECT.

It's not even my channel, so why the hell is it what's best for me ?  You're
on crack.  I was expressing my opinion, and that opinion is this, *If they
have ops it's their channel, they can do as they see fit*.  I never made
this personal.  You did.  You're taking a simple debate about IRC Channel
ownership and turning it into a personal flame war, and I won't have any
part of it.  If you don't like my opinion fine.  But me expressing my
opinion doesn't mean I'm trying to take over the forum or some such
stupidity.  What the hell are you talking about ?  Jesus.  Calm down, take a
few deep breaths and go take a walk out side.  It's only computers, it's not
the Holy Jihad.  I love FreeBSD too, and I'm all for promoting it, but the
fact that we love FreeBSD doesn't mean the rules and standards of EfNet IRC
are going to change for us.

> If the channel is NOT associated with the Project, get the FAQ changed.
>
> THAT is what I said.  Period.

Someone already said they were doing that.  Maybe if you weren't so busy
ranting, you'd have noticed that.  Period.




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