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Date:      Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:46:16 -0600
From:      "Jacques A. Vidrine" <nectar@FreeBSD.org>
To:        D J Hawkey Jr <hawkeyd@visi.com>
Cc:        security at FreeBSD <freebsd-security@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: what actually uses xdr_mem.c?
Message-ID:  <20030327114616.GE98283@madman.celabo.org>
In-Reply-To: <20030326234503.A21679@sheol.localdomain>
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 11:45:04PM -0600, D J Hawkey Jr wrote:
> OK, I now have to take this a little off-topic, and ask the following:
> 
> Given that it's improbable, if not nearly impossible, to discover what
> statically-linked binaries may be involved with any vulnerability, isn't
> it reasonable to ask if the benefits of statically-linked binaries aren't
> outweighed by the [security] drawbacks?
> 
> Granted, a "no static binaries" policy wouldn't cover things outside of
> any given distribution, but at that point, the vendor is absolved.

IMHO making security updates for a completely-dynamically-linked
system would be easier.  However, it's not a panacea and there are
reasons one might still want static binaries.

This is not a given:
  > Given that it's improbable, if not nearly impossible, to discover
  > what statically-linked binaries may be involved with any
  > vulnerability,

The way to determine it is to run `make release' without the fix, then
`make release' with the fix, and intelligently compare the results.
It is hard, not `nearly impossible'.

> Should this move on over to freebsd-hackers@ ?

I think it should stop here :-)  We don't need another
static-vs-dynamic thread right now (e.g. yet another one finally
finished on freebsd-arch yesterday).

Cheers,
-- 
Jacques A. Vidrine <nectar@celabo.org>          http://www.celabo.org/
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