Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:13:00 +0200 From: Jochem Kossen <j.kossen@home.nl> To: Joerg Micheel <joerg@cs.waikato.ac.nz> Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Security through obscurity? (was: ssh + compiled-in SKEY support considered harmful?) Message-ID: <200204231212.34754.j.kossen@home.nl> In-Reply-To: <20020423211359.D48271@cs.waikato.ac.nz> References: <rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG> <20020423183452.M6425@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20020423211359.D48271@cs.waikato.ac.nz>
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On Tuesday 23 April 2002 11:13, you wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 06:34:52PM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > Well, yes. But I've been using X for 11 years. Why should I have > > to read the man page to find changes? How do I know which man page > > to read? If I did that for everything that happened, I wouldn't > > get any work done. And you can bet your bottom dollar that > > somebody coming from another UNIX variant and trying out FreeBSD > > won't do so. They'll just say that it's broken and wander off > > again. > > FWIW, I would be extremly pissed about this myself, I just happen to > not having installed 4.5 myself yet, for other reasons. I thought > there was a policy of the least surprise, it might have been to > kernel code, but should be applied here as well. I haven't seen your complaint anywhere... > The system has to work right away, when installed out of the box. > Period. No when's and if's. It does work. But i think you mean the tcp connections. Does that mean you vote for enabling _all_ services? They don't work out=20 of the box as well... > And don't tell me that X11 is an add-on and luxury. I agree, but the tcp connections IS an add-on luxury imho > We are living in the 21st century. That's right, the century of virii, DoS attacks, worms, and=20 scriptkiddiots. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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