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Date:      Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:34:14 -0700
From:      "Kevin Oberman" <oberman@es.net>
To:        "Chad R. Larson" <chad@DCFinc.com>
Cc:        reader@newsguy.com, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Frustrating network problem - need diagnotic help 
Message-ID:  <200108271834.f7RIYER21957@ptavv.es.net>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:35:49 PDT." <20010827103549.B475@freeway.dcfinc.com> 

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> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:35:49 -0700
> From: "Chad R. Larson" <chad@DCFinc.com>
> 
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 10:07:03AM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > I'm afraid not. I do have my 802.3 handy and the source address field
> > is not interpreted at all. The I/G bit (individual/group) bit is
> > ALWAYS interpreted in a destination address, so setting the "locally
> > admin" bit does not over-ride this functionality. The import is that
> > many devices (including switches) make forwarding decisions based on
> > the setting of this bit.
> 
> We did a bunch of multicasting stuff at my prior job, where we were
> building high-availability clusters of Pyramids.  At the time, the
> O/S didn't support IP aliases on the interfaces, so we set up
> locally administered multicast addresses for the machines so clients
> could find their application even if it had migrated within the
> cluster.
> 
> We had to put static ARP entries in the Cisco routers, as they were
> pretty snooty about dealing with multicast at all.
> 
> > In any case, a hardware MAC address that has the group address bit set
> > is clearly broken.
> 
> Unless it is a deliberate multicast.  In this case, not likely.  But
> not intrinsically broken.

I will stand by my statement that a HARDWARE MAC with the group
address bit set is broken. It violates the spec and delivering a
device with a multicast source address is broken even if the spec was
not violated.

R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
E-mail: oberman@es.net			Phone: +1 510 486-8634

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