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Date:      Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:46:16 -0700
From:      Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@xcllnt.net>
To:        Wilko Bulte <wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl>
Cc:        alpha@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: NFS hangs appears dc(4) newbusification related
Message-ID:  <20030727194616.GA608@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net>
In-Reply-To: <20030727091517.GA468@freebie.xs4all.nl>
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On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 11:15:18AM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 10:17:15AM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 12:21:33PM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote:
> > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 08:45:09PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I'm off to the pub, I'll check sometime tomorrow what has happend.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I invariably get the hang within 1 minute.
> > 
> > Sofar ds10 completed 2 buildworlds, no problems. I can access the nfs
> > mounted /usr/obj from ds10 without hangs or whatever.
> > 
> > This is using default nfs mount options.
> 
> /me wonders what Alpha model marcel has?

PWS 433.

I think the mystery is solved:

After some triaging it became clear that the problem was not the
newbusification of dc(4). I got the same lockups with sources
before that change, but after the mbuf changes sibly@ made. The
comment by ticso@ that tcp doesn't work anyway was not true
before, but is now. That misalignment existed before is possible.
It never caused any problems for me though. Removing tcp from the
mount options in fstab(5) solved the problem with -current sources,
but could be be used prior to that.

So:
o  Using TCP based NFS mounts is indeed broken and should at least
   be mentioned somewhere, because the breakage is only visible on
   alpha. Ideally it should be fixed.
o  rpc.statd(8) still fails for msync(), which probably needs to
   addressed as well, because it's specific to alpha too.
o  If misalignment is the root cause of why TCP based NFS mounts
   don't work, then why doesn't the kernel panic? All misalignments
   in the kernel should be fatal, not cause "random" failures.

-- 
 Marcel Moolenaar	  USPA: A-39004		 marcel@xcllnt.net



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